01-12-2004 23:59									#91
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You have to take road conditions into account.

	01-12-2004 23:59									#92
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quote: Well, I always say that if the only reasonable way to commute is a toll road, something is ****ed. WRG to toll roads, I say that at least let them regulate it, and/or set floating tolls, that would drop to zero at no-rush hours.

you ever been to socal? the toll roads there are sometimes godsend. theres just too many people, too many cars and not enough highway. in fact someone should build toll road for commuters not stopping in LA around LA, with one entrance (from the 5 somewhere in the OC) and one exit (just north of the 210 on the 5)

	02-12-2004 00:33									#93
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I hate toll roads. All a toll road means in my mind is that the government hasn't been doing it's job in providing the highways citizens have paid for.

	02-12-2004 00:33									#94
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quote: I hate toll roads. All a toll road means in my mind is that the government hasn't been doing it's job in providing the highways citizens have paid for.

Oerdin

	02-12-2004 00:35									#95
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The problem with that is -- of course the government isn't doing its job. The solution is to let private companies provide an alternative to escape the perpetual f*ck-ups and politics.

	02-12-2004 00:36									#96
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Not solving problems, and ignoring them

	02-12-2004 00:46									#97
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quote: I hate toll roads. All a toll road means in my mind is that the government hasn't been doing it's job in providing the highways citizens have paid for.

since roads dont cost as part of a user fee, people use it more often than they should, and dont carpool, etc, resulting in more traffic. increasing the size of the road wont do it, because eventually there will be more people and then the road will be crowded again. the only way would be to install toll along highways, and no matter how many more people move into the area, you can regulate the flow of traffic.

	02-12-2004 00:48									#98
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quote: You have to take road conditions into account.

the 101S isnt that big from SB to ventura. its like what, a two lane highway, three lane in some spots? i mean, i guess you're all alone on the road so theres no one out there to hit, but if you get a ticket, your license is gone. 90 in a 65 zone?

	02-12-2004 00:49									#99
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quote: Originally posted by Asher The problem with that is -- of course the government isn't doing its job. The solution is to let private companies provide an alternative to escape the perpetual f*ck-ups and politics.

Or you could just vote the bums out and get a new group of bums.

	02-12-2004 00:50									#100
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia since roads dont cost as part of a user fee,

I consider my registration to be a user fee.

	02-12-2004 00:50									#101
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Or you could just vote the bums out and get a new group of bums.

Which do the same thing.

Such is the nature of government.

	02-12-2004 00:51									#102
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quote: I consider my registration to be a user fee.

apparently its not enough since it hasnt caused significant numbers of commuters to drop off the highways.

	02-12-2004 00:51									#103
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia the 101S isnt that big from SB to ventura. its like what, a two lane highway, three lane in some spots? i mean, i guess you're all alone on the road so theres no one out there to hit, but if you get a ticket, your license is gone. 90 in a 65 zone?

It's been years since I was in college. BTW it's a four lane the whole way and then turns into a six lane in SB.

	02-12-2004 00:53									#104
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quote: It's been years since I was in college. BTW it's a four lane the whole way and then turns into a six lane in SB.

four lanes as in two on each side or 4 on each side?