01-12-2004 05:37									#61
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and theres no major urban centers between seattle and san francisco. yeah, its only 65 mph average, but thats still 12 hours straight.

80 mph would be a better average tho (130 kph)

	01-12-2004 05:45									#62
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http://www.driving-abroad.info/

this site is kinda cool, but they need to add more countries.

	01-12-2004 12:20									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Asher quote: Entry: Highway 404 Exit: Highway 427 Time of Day: Weekdays 6:00 a.m. -- 10:00 a.m. Vehicle Type: Light vehicle Transponder: Yes Total Distance: 24.52 kilometres Cost Per Kilometre: $0.1395 Video Toll Charge: Not Applicable TOLL COST: $3.42

That's an okay price, but..

From the Toronto Star:

Ernest Varosi used to think a "bunch of stupid people" ran the Highway 407 toll road, until lawyers and collection agencies got involved.

Varosi insisted last night he paid his 407 bill for $119 four years ago but had kept getting billed. A 407 representative told him not to worry.

"Then I started getting letters from lawyers. That's serious. They were asking for money that was not owed to them. ... That's no joke."

Varosi's was one of about a dozen stories of 407 billing nightmares told last night at Seneca College, where Eglinton-Lawrence MPP Mike Colle opened what the government called "an investigative review of the 407 ETR's billing and customer service practices."

Anne Hart, of the Midwestern Ontario Better Business Bureau, said her Kitchener office has had 71 written and 150 phone complaints about the 407. But they've stopped taking complaints "because the 407 has failed to respond to us."

She said one man was billed $1,114 and is battling collection agencies, but "he doesn't have a car and doesn't even drive."

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Co...d=1101163810106

	01-12-2004 20:19									#64
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Sounds like for some reason someone else's license plate is registered to him?

	01-12-2004 20:22									#65
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quote: That's an okay price

It is in Canada, perhaps, but here we pay 4 USD for some 90 kms....

Is that highway BOT, or completely private?

	01-12-2004 20:45									#66
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What's BOT?

The road is completely private right now. There is a legal battle between the inept Ontario government and 407ETR, but 407ETR is winning.

Ontario wants to regulate its pricing, but apparently that wasn't in the contract.

	01-12-2004 20:47									#67
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia and theres no major urban centers between seattle and san francisco. yeah, its only 65 mph average, but thats still 12 hours straight. 80 mph would be a better average tho (130 kph)

what about Portland?

or are you not going up I5?

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	01-12-2004 20:48									#68
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia yesterday, on a sunday nite, i got from grapevine to SD in just under three hours. i was at the base of grapevine at just after 3.30 pm and got to SD at 6.30 pm. that is the fastest i have ever gone through LA in a high traffic situation. I took the 5 to the Santa Monica Freeway to the SD freeway. there wasnt even any traffic around the airport. did i get lucky or what? i mean, this is the sunday night after thanksgiving.

Wow, that is fast.


When I was in college at Santa Barbara I used to leave around midnight so I could sail through LA. I'd go about 90mph and go from SD to Santa Barbara in 3 hours.

	01-12-2004 20:49									#69
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Build-Operate-Transfer.

One builds it, operates it for X years, and then it's transferred to government, free of charge. It seems that the government of Ontario was shafted even more!

	01-12-2004 20:51									#70
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quote: Originally posted by Barinthus Asher, dude, trust me, 407 is nothing compared to I-5. It can be a pure nightmare.

The part in LA and northern Orange County can be like a parking lot. I've literally seen people pull out their portable gas powered grills and have BBQs while waiting in freeway traffic.

	01-12-2004 21:00									#71
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel Build-Operate-Transfer. One builds it, operates it for X years, and then it's transferred to government, free of charge. It seems that the government of Ontario was shafted even more!

Yes, they are quite stupid.

Not every province can be as with it as Klein's government.

	01-12-2004 21:01									#72
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Don't be so proud of it, you're shafted because of it, as well...

	01-12-2004 21:01									#73
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Not really, the lower the pricing the more people on it.

I think it's quite ideal right now for me.

	01-12-2004 21:04									#74
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I am not just talking about the cost regulation. I am talking about your government losing assets, and through this, you losing money.

	01-12-2004 21:05									#75
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It's not my government, I still vote in the Alberta elections and am considered a resident of Alberta, and pay Alberta taxes.

	01-12-2004 21:10									#76
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That's wierd. However, you're STILL getting shafted, since you're a resident of Ontario, and the services you get will be slightly less. It's not really noticeable, but nothing to gloat about, that's for sure. (Stupid province vs. province rivalry )

	01-12-2004 21:13									#77
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I don't see how the services I get are any less.

Price regulation from the government would make the road cheaper, which would mean busier, which would mean slower.

	01-12-2004 21:17									#78
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Price regulation won't make it necessarily cheaper. In fact, if govt. would always want to make these things cheaper, they wouldn't allow the construction of a toll road in the first place.

	01-12-2004 21:43									#79
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The reason they are asking for price regulation is they claim it's too expensive.

	01-12-2004 21:46									#80
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Well, it may be cheaper now, or higher later. In any case, the reason for this is that they want to move as much people as possible through that highway, and that is good for both you, and the province, generally. That's why they regulate prices, you know.

	01-12-2004 21:50									#81
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It's not good for me to put more people on that highway.

I like the speed of it being open, not crowded.

	01-12-2004 21:55									#82
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Well, it doesn't have to be empty to be fast. The Autobahns are full of cars.

	01-12-2004 21:58									#83
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If it gets congested, it's not fast...

See: Hwy 401.

20 lanes and still slow as ****.

	01-12-2004 21:59									#84
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Yeah, well, a highway will get empty at 3.5CDN for 25 kms...

	01-12-2004 22:00									#85
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel Build-Operate-Transfer. One builds it, operates it for X years, and then it's transferred to government, free of charge. It seems that the government of Ontario was shafted even more!

Yes, typical Conservative government thinking.

	01-12-2004 22:03									#86
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel Yeah, well, a highway will get empty at 3.5CDN for 25 kms...

And well worth it.

It takes me over 3 hours to get from Toronto to Waterloo fridays @ 4pm with the 401, and 1 hour with the 407 + 401 (using the 407 to bypass the most congested part of the 401).

For the $6 per trip it costs me, I find it quite worth it.

Not to mention the superiority of the road in the winter, since it's plowed, salted, or sanded far more often and frequently than the 401, and is fully lit at night.

	01-12-2004 22:09									#87
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Well, I always say that if the only reasonable way to commute is a toll road, something is ****ed. WRG to toll roads, I say that at least let them regulate it, and/or set floating tolls, that would drop to zero at no-rush hours.

Btw, how much do you pay for a liter, and what is the km/liter ration on that Mazda 3 of yours?

	01-12-2004 22:46									#88
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Price is currently ~$0.75/litre, and I get about 30mpg or 12-13 km/L on average.

It would be higher if I got the smaller 2L engine instead of the 2.3L.

	01-12-2004 22:47									#89
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Nice

	01-12-2004 23:56									#90
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quote: what about Portland? or are you not going up I5?

i dont think portland is a major city center.

quote: When I was in college at Santa Barbara I used to leave around midnight so I could sail through LA. I'd go about 90mph and go from SD to Santa Barbara in 3 hours.

thats nuts. 3 hrs from SB to SD? 90 mph. you unsafe driver you.