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aneeshm
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Indore , Madhya Pradesh
Jul 2001
time: 10:48
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Azazel - please do not troll . I don't think anything of nay people , be they ( remember , you sterotyped them , not me ) little or big .
I have nothing against the government protecting unions if any of their rights , like the right to life , property , free association , protection from injury , etc , are being violated . If some owner sends thugs to beat up the unionisers , the government should definitely intervene .
But please tell me why the law should protect the union's interests ( the ones which go beyond their rights ) . It may not be in the union's interest to have it's members fired , but protection from firing does not seem to be aright to me , by any stretch of any twisted ideology . Indeed , such "protection" actually violates the right to free association of the employer .
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chegitz guevara
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Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
time: 00:18
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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
That would be the Wage and Hour Division of the US Department of Labor. 1-866-4US-WAGE is the number, IIRC. |
Little thing a comrade forwarded me:
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Increase in denial of overtime by companies
The Labor Department issued a report November 24
revealing that complaints by workers over denial of
overtime rose to the highest level in four years while
penalties for violations and awards of back pay fell.
The department’s Wage and Hour Division received
31,786 complaints in 2004, compared with 31,123 in
2003.
The department’s fines, however, amounted to $9
million, down from $10 million in 2003. It also
collected $196.7 million in back wages, also down from
$212.5 million for the previous year. The number of
workers receiving back pay declined from 342,358 in
2003 to 288,296 this year. New rules, put in place by
the Bush administration, took effect last August and
data is not yet available, but their purpose was to
frustrate workers attempting to file suit to recover
overtime pay. |
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chegitz guevara
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Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
time: 00:18
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Originally posted by David Floyd
I am more concerned with how well business is functioning than I am with the comfort level of employees, who, by the way, make FAR more in the US than they would in many other countries in the world, even adjusted for cost of living requirements. |
We also pay far more than people in other parts of the world to live. You cannot make enough money to live off of on Wal-Mart wages in most of this country, not by yourself, anyway.
Last edited by chegitz guevara on 01-12-2004 at 22:04
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
Jan 1970
time: 05:18
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Ozzy,
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Well that's the genious of a free market. A variety of different business models can co-exist and compete. We don't have a centralized system saying only millionaires can run businesses, thank goodness. I'd love to see a more diversified market where some businesses are run by employees with some profit sharing system, others are traditional strict hierarchies, and heck through in some communes too. That'd be wonderful. |
I agree that people should have the right to form such communes, etc., I just don't think it's a very good idea. But maybe I'll be proved wrong - I don't care, so long as no government restrictions on freedom are involved in the process.
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Plus David, from a pure business outlook. A company that treats its employees the best will attract the best employees and be a better company for it. I think a company like that would be competitive. Though if not, that's something the market can work out on its own. |
To a certain extent, sure. At the same time, though, a company that is losing money is not going to attract good, long-term employees who are motivated to work hard, because they know that no matter how good the benefits may be at first, they can't last if the company's is constantly in the red.
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I agree. We agree on who has what rights, but we differ in that after recognizing that you are rooting for the employers while I am rooting for the workers. |
I'm rooting for what I believe is most beneficial to myself. I'll elaborate if you want, but remember for a second that I currently work in retail management 
Imran,
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Some employers can be real *******s and try to do illegal things against their workers. Not every person has enough money to hire a lawyer for that. |
Then again, some of those "illegal things" you speak of are thing that I don't think the government should be involved with in the first place, so I don't really care 
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Oh yes they are. In every civilization since the dawn of man, they have been considered evil. |
Yes, they have, and much of the reason for that has been religion, by the way. But ultimately, though, all selfishness is, is a primary concern for your own interests. Concern for your own interests can and DOES include doing things to help others in many situations, but your motivation is the long term benefit to yourself. I fail to see anything wrong with that.
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You cannot make enough money to live off of on Wal-Mart wages in most of this country, not by yourself, anyway. |
I guess that depends on whether or not you buy Nikes, designer shoes, gold-plated rims, and big stereo systems, or if you just buy the basics. There's also nothing wrong with getting a second job.
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01-12-2004 16:55
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