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Colo. Wal-Mart Makes Effort to Unionize


The National Labor Relations Board planned a hearing Thursday to consider the workers' request to be represented by the United Food and Commercial Workers Local 7.


"Wal-Mart workers don't have to be second-class citizens," said Ernest Duran Jr., president of the union, which also represents more than 17,000 grocery workers at King Soopers, Safeway and Albertsons stores.


Union officials argue the workers in the automotive service department are separate from the store and eligible for independent union representation. Wal-Mart officials disagree.


"With approximately 400 associates in that particular facility, we feel that more than 17 associates should have a say on such an important matter," said Christi Gallagher, a spokeswoman for Bentonville, Ark-based Wal-Mart.


Wal-Mart said it treats its workers fairly and has an open door policy that lets each negotiate directly with management.


"Our associates see they don't have to pay hard earned money to do what they can do every day," she said.


The union is in negotiations with the Colorado grocery stores, which have cited competition from nonunion discount chains such as Wal-Mart in offering wage and benefit increases that have been rejected by workers.


Efforts to unionize Wal-Mart stores in the United States have failed, while in Canada, a government agency this year certified workers at a Quebec store as a union and told the two sides to negotiate. Wal-Mart has said it may have to close that store.


In the United States, the closest a U.S. union ever came to representing Wal-Mart workers happened in 2000. Eleven members of the store's meatpacking department at Jacksonville, Texas, store voted to be represented by the UFCW.


In a move it said was unrelated to the union vote, Wal-Mart eliminated the job of meatcutter company-wide, and announced it would only sell pre-cut, pre-wrapped meat.


The workers were offered other jobs at the store.


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Good luck to Walmart in fighting the unions!

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Defining the bargaining unit is almost always the first skirmish in a unionization battle and it often can be decisive. A savvy employer has a sense of the sentiments of its employees and can often work to configure the bargaining unit such that the vote will reject unionization.

Personally I am amazed that Wal Mart has avoided unions for this long

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Most retail stores have - all they have to do is shut down the store that votes in favor of unionizing.

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Most retail stores have - all they have to do is shut down the store that votes in favor of unionizing.


But that method costs the store more than the employees. Most of the retail employees can find jobs elsewhere but closing a profitable store probably hurts a bit. Wal mart probably eats that cost as part of the deterrent factor for the rest of its empire

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Good luck to Walmart in fighting the unions!


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Wal-Mart said it treats its workers fairly and has an open door policy that lets each negotiate directly with management.
That's something to brag about? I should have known you don't know collective wage agreements over there...

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quote:
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Good luck to Walmart in fighting the unions!

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That's something to brag about? I should have known you don't know collective wage agreements over there...


We do know about them, this one store just doesn't have them.

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Libertarian Idiots:

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We do know about them, this one store just doesn't have them.

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Libertarian Idiots:


Hey!

Unionized Walmart workers
Libertarians

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Hey!

Unionized Walmart workers
Libertarians


You can't like both, flip-flopper.

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Good luck to Walmart in fighting the unions!


Why the hell shouldn't they and get some kind of collective bargaining power? Big business has the advantage of scale when negotiating, why shouldn't the worker? Perhaps you should question your blind allegiance to your political ideology...

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Hey!

Unionized Walmart workers
Libertarians


OzzyKP-style Libertarians
Floyd-style Libertarians

Unions are essential to a free society, I think that all major retailers should be unionized.

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I hate unions as much as the next guy, but doesn't disallowing unions to exist fly in the face of freedom of association.

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OzzyKP-style Libertarians
Floyd-style Libertarians


People who know the difference

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hey, if they can get wal mart to accepet them, more power to them. libertarians arnt against unions.

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All hail the almighty Company and its benevolence!

Wal-Mart:
Libertarians in general:

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It's good see some people standing up to Walmart's anti-union activities. The Chinese government recently took legal action against Walmart for union breaking in it's Chinese stores and, under Chinese law, they can now have their business nationalized if they don't allow unions to organize. Canadian workers have also had to get legal help before Walmart would even pretend to give workers a fair chance to unionize.

Personally, I try not to shop at Walmart first because I find most of the things they sell to be really low quality but second because the company's management is so anti-union.

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How sad for capitalism? Wal-Mart has like no competition anyway.

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That's something to brag about? I should have known you don't know collective wage agreements over there...




Wouldn't you like to know a few facts before jumping to conclusions? We have lots of union jobs here in the states but some companies such as Walmart are acting in a decidedly anti-union manner. We used to have very good pro-union laws (I'd say far to pro-union) but Reagon eliminated the teeth to most of them back in the 1980's. I'd say Reagon went to far and we need to seek a balance between workers and management. It's bad for the country as a whole if one side is to much stronger then the other so we need to keep both sides in balance.

Ending Walmart's union breaking is a good place to start and restoring the tougher legal penalties for union breaking would also help.

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hey, if they can get wal mart to accepet them, more power to them. libertarians arnt against unions.


Floyd's objection to Unions is, I believe, based upon the government's actions. The government in the USA requires companies to recognize workers who want to unionize whether or not they want to, are not allowed to fire pro-union workers, and I believe may not shut down stores specifically because it decided to go union.

Of course, if Floyd did have his way here, it would mean to a large scale degradation of living standards for a lot of people..

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unions, like corporations, are good when moderated.

libertarians.
republicans
democrats
unions
corporations

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I hate unions as much as the next guy, but doesn't disallowing unions to exist fly in the face of freedom of association.


The employers have freedom of association too, and it's their property.

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I hate unions as much as the next guy, but doesn't disallowing unions to exist fly in the face of freedom of association.


what have you got against unions

fyi I am in a union. they are paying for my education. what job will do that for you? very few.

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'cause sometimes unions shoot themselves in the foot because they want to spite the company.

case in point, United Air Lines. the mechanic's union in that case?

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Diss, unions have a track record of being corrupt and they have corrupted governments, just like big corporations. I oppose both...

I should clarify, my opposition is to government giving them legal standing, i.e., mandating special rules to protect them. For corps these take the form of how corps are dealt with much more leniently when committing crimes or being sued. You know, all those special rules that have evolved over the last ~130 years that effectively turn a corp into something more protected than other associations.

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Just as important, Wal-Mart is expecting Christmas sales to be rather flat, blaming it on their policy to remove a fair amount of discounts on a lot of their items.

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Personally, I try not to shop at Walmart first because I find most of the things they sell to be really low quality but second because the company's management is so anti-union.


Given that Wal-Mart sells the same brands that, say, Target or Kroger does, I find this statement odd. (Note that I have never bought clothes there, other than the odd pack of socks).

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Wal-Mart said it treats its workers fairly and has an open door policy that lets each negotiate directly with management.

Oh that's rich, that's very very rich.

 
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