04-12-2004 19:29									#91
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quote: Expect a very PC/marketing answer. ( which I would do too).

I want to have a non-marketing one from Soren .

	04-12-2004 20:46									#92
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How about health influencing population growth?
City improvement such as Aquaduct, Sewer System and Hospital could reduce the number of food needed to make the city grow (similar to Children's Creches in SMAC), while high mineral production & thus pollution could reduce health and thus slow down growth.

	04-12-2004 21:17									#93
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quote: Originally posted by Solver quote: Expect a very PC/marketing answer. ( which I would do too). I want to have a non-marketing one from Soren .

I'm afraid I can only say: Dream on...

	04-12-2004 22:50									#94
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Re Civ and kids:

My nephew is now 5 and he watches my brother play Civ 3 all the time, even demanding to help out by making the little units fight.

What I loved about Civ I, which I first played as a teen, was that in addition to being a fun game, it sparked a genuine interest in history and a desire to learn more about the civilizations in the game. I think it's no coincidence that so many posters here are huge history buffs and that their enthusiasm, if not sparked by Civ, was certainly fanned by it.

If Civ 4 can continue that with youngsters, I say it will be doing something great.

	04-12-2004 23:08									#95
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It's even used in some schools IIRC. ( think it was Sweden )

	04-12-2004 23:14									#96
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Is there a direct link to the article somewhere?

The CivFanatics only had a link to PC World's Main site, and google's site search on PC World for civilization 4 only found some old articles there for civ 3 [back in 2001] and and some random games with "4" in their title.

	05-12-2004 00:41									#97
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quote: Originally posted by alva Expect a very PC/marketing answer. ( which I would do too).

Correction: Expect no answer.

Soren came to post one thing to clear up some long-running misconceptions. If he posts here again (especially about something like that) I would be very very surprised.

	05-12-2004 00:45									#98
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quote: I would be very very surprised.

ANy particular reason why?

	05-12-2004 00:47									#99
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quote: Originally posted by alva ANy particular reason why?

Soren's not one to offer any more information than necessary.

Note he's only posted twice in this forum, one to verify he's watching the list and the other to correct some false beliefs. He comes here to read, not to post.

	05-12-2004 00:51									#100
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Ah ok, I thought you meant it was a Poly(Vs CFC ) kind of thing, which would have made little - if any - sense.

	05-12-2004 03:29									#101
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quote: Originally posted by joncnunn Is there a direct link to the article somewhere? The CivFanatics only had a link to PC World's Main site, and google's site search on PC World for civilization 4 only found some old articles there for civ 3 [back in 2001] and and some random games with "4" in their title.

The article is not available online, only in print. And from what I gathered for now only to subscribers of PC Gamer. It will be another week or two before non-subscribers will be able to purchase the issue (or that's what I heard anyway).

quote: Originally posted by alva Ah ok, I thought you meant it was a Poly(Vs CFC ) kind of thing, which would have made little - if any - sense.

If your ego needs feeding (and I know it does ), I believe Apolyton is 2-1 up on CFC as far as Civ4-related Soren sightings are concerned

	05-12-2004 03:45									#102
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I don't quite see why Firaxis would let such early screen shots be published. Seems to me it is just a surefire way to get people *****ing and moaning about something despite it not being remotely done.

Or maybe it's a subtle trick! By releasing them, it makes everyone think the graphics will suck, so when the game comes out and they don't suck, people will be more impressed. AHA!

	05-12-2004 03:58									#103
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gawd damn..... where can i see the screenshots? :/

	05-12-2004 04:04									#104
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quote: Originally posted by MattPilot gawd damn..... where can i see the screenshots? :/

You can't see them online, you need to buy PC Gamer January issue.

	05-12-2004 04:04									#105
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wait a few days for pc gamer to come out


i guess some marketing guys thought it was time to start the hype machine early

	05-12-2004 04:08									#106
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Actually, from what I heard subscribers to PC Gamer have received the January issue already, it probably came from one of them.

	05-12-2004 05:52									#107
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG wait a few days for pc gamer to come out i guess some marketing guys thought it was time to start the hype machine early

Time for an chat maybe ?

quote: I don't quite see why Firaxis would let such early screen shots be published. Seems to me it is just a surefire way to get people *****ing and moaning about something despite it not being remotely done.

Free publicity? More traffic in this forum over two times nothings than in the previous 3 months combined.

	05-12-2004 16:52									#108
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Anyone who knows even a little info about games development will understand
that screen shots at this stage are bound to be mock-ups and placeholders.

The final future product will be unrecognisable from the screenies seen now.

	05-12-2004 16:57									#109
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But I like mock-ups (I've done some myself)... I like to see how something transforms from early beta to final

	05-12-2004 17:02									#110
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Why release mockups?

	05-12-2004 17:02									#111
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After reading through the thread - I think the simple solution would be to emulate the CIV2 model,
address the shortcomings, beef up the visuals and add any useful game features.

Hey, presto!
Instant killer game - CIV franchise takes over world!

(again)

	05-12-2004 17:04									#112
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quote: Originally posted by Sn00py Why release mockups?

Animated 3D type units take mucho time to make -

In the games industry, the graphics are usually made right up till the final minute!

	05-12-2004 20:03									#113
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quote: Originally posted by Sn00py Why release mockups?

Answer:

quote: Originally posted by Alva Free publicity? More traffic in this forum over two times nothings than in the previous 3 months combined.

It doesn't matter that the images are gone. They've seen the reaction and gotten everything they wanted.

	05-12-2004 21:14									#114
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How much does that to have with the announce that the Civ franchise has been sold? Kind of a message to whoever holds the rights?
Anyway, nice of Soren to have precised something about the unfun elements and health. I think he's only being sensible in not disclosing information which is probably subject to change as the design will surely evolve as much as the graphics will till the game is released. I just hope they'll release a civ IV which doesn't require addons to be able to mod/play mods. They're still using python for the ai?

	05-12-2004 22:40									#115
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quote: Originally posted by alva quote: I don't quite see why Firaxis would let such early screen shots be published. Seems to me it is just a surefire way to get people *****ing and moaning about something despite it not being remotely done. Free publicity? More traffic in this forum over two times nothings than in the previous 3 months combined.

I was actually driving at that with my post, but you snipped the 2nd paragraph.

	05-12-2004 23:20									#116
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quote: Or maybe it's a subtle trick! By releasing them, it makes everyone think the graphics will suck, so when the game comes out and they don't suck, people will be more impressed. AHA!

That's the same as what I said?

Your's (sarcasticly) about lowering expectations, not free pub.

	05-12-2004 23:52									#117
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I think it's PC Games that wanted the pictures pulled.

Also the photos that were here were scanned in instead of digitally copied, and so may have been much lower quality than the game's graphics which would be something that Firaxis wouldn't want either.

quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov I don't quite see why Firaxis would let such early screen shots be published. Seems to me it is just a surefire way to get people *****ing and moaning about something despite it not being remotely done. Or maybe it's a subtle trick! By releasing them, it makes everyone think the graphics will suck, so when the game comes out and they don't suck, people will be more impressed. AHA!

	06-12-2004 10:17									#118
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quote: Originally posted by Solver quote: Expect a very PC/marketing answer. ( which I would do too). I want to have a non-marketing one from Soren .

I'll give you Soren's answer:

"Sid is very involved with the game."

	06-12-2004 20:17									#119
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Hey, where can I see these screenshot? AFAIK, I'd have to travel some 700KM to buy the mag...

	06-12-2004 20:56									#120
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Until it's for sale, nowhere.