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Provost Harrison is offline Provost Harrison
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The return of anxiety and depression... Increase Your PM Length

As ever, life is not an upward climb but more of a wavy line. I thought things were pretty much sorted, I was enjoying my job, they were pleased with my work and I was earning enough to keep myself relatively comfortable whilst paying off some existing debts - some of which the result of having to make such a move.

So what a bugger it is to find that come March, I will be out of a job. My current workplace cannot extend my contract due to HR policy, and are not allowed to take on any more permanent staff (they've said they'd be buggered if I left but they have no choice ).

I would like to say it would be easy to find another job but I know what it is like. I got a job rejection today and it feels like full circle once again, and needless to say, the anxiety and depression are starting to make a comeback very rapidly.

So here I am again, on the cusp of yet another career crisis only 2 years after the previous one. A career in the science sector is like my worst nightmare, a slippery pole, not a ladder with no future visible.

So here I am looking at jobs, either I don't seem to have the right experience for or I am overexperienced/overqualified for. And no matter how you put it or word it, no matter how good I am at my job it doesn't matter sh*t when it is impossible to demonstrate.

So what next for the old Provost? I think it has made up my mind about what I think I am going to do for my life in the future, but if you ever get pushed on you how great a career is in science, tell them to f**k off because it is a lie, plain and simple. I work harder and get paid less than my peers in other sectors and rather than moving up it is more like a see-saw ride - despite the experience I have acquired I am facing an effective pay cut which could leave me in significant financial difficulty.

I don't exactly know the point in me writing this, I suppose it is better out than in.

General Ludd is offline General Ludd
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Go crazy and kill people.


I couldn't be bothered to read the opening post, but this is always good advice.

Theben is offline Theben
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Study for management in the science sector.

Asher is offline Asher
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Drugs are always the answer.

alva is offline alva
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Keep up mate, something will come up.

( I hate it too when people use those exact same words to me, but unfortunately it's the best I can do )

pchang is offline pchang
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Got spare money?

You could always become a bio terrorist. I believe Al Queda pays for your moving expenses.

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Good luck to you PH. Hang in there, something will come up eventually.

Asher is offline Asher
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if you ever get pushed on you how great a career is in science, tell them to f**k off because it is a lie, plain and simple.

Indeed -- get a job in an applied science (such as engineering, or computer science...)

Immortal Wombat is offline Immortal Wombat
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or pharmaceuticals?

Dis is offline Dis
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I've never heard of being overqualified for a job.

If they need someone, they will hire you. It's a question whether you will enjoy doing the work.

alva is offline alva
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I've never heard of being overqualified for a job.


Happens quite frequently.
They have to pay you more,
The boss man is uncertain of his own position, etc...

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I've never heard of being overqualified for a job.


Happens quite frequently.
They have to pay you more,
The boss man is uncertain of his own position, etc...


they don't have to pay you more.

I'll admit I don't know about white collar work. But I've been overqualified for blue collar jobs. They all start at the same rate per hour regardless of how much experience or qualifications you have.

alva is offline alva
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they don't have to pay you more.

I'll admit I don't know about white collar work. But I've been overqualified for blue collar jobs. They all start at the same rate per hour regardless of how much experience or qualifications you have.

Well, not eveything is the same as it is in he US.

Here you often are payed according to your degree ( even for the same job ). Especially for gouverment jobs.

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I've never heard of being overqualified for a job.
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Happens *ALL* the time, they think you won't concentrate on your work, or think it's beneath you and be looking to move on to a better job

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I would like to say it would be easy to find another job but I know what it is like. I got a job rejection today and it feels like full circle once again


Perhaps you need to change your job search strategy. Thereis always the alternative of teaching English in an East Asian country, maybe as a last resort. Maybe not, because it's a good idea to get ouside of the UK and see the world when you are still young.

General Ludd is offline General Ludd
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What are the requirements of being an english teacher in some **** hole country, anyways?

JimmyCracksCorn is offline JimmyCracksCorn
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PH - Can't you just omit alot of stuff from your CV which would prove your overqualified? They can't know what you don't tell them...

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What are the requirements of being an english teacher in some **** hole country, anyways?


The fact that your first language is English is usually enough!

Dis is offline Dis
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The fact that your first language is English is usually enough!


wouldn't it help to speak the language of the country you are going to as well?

Japher is offline Japher
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come to Japher... and work in Cali! Plenty of QA and lab positions.

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wouldn't it help to speak the language of the country you are going to as well?


nah, it's an incentive for your pupils, either learn to communicate with me or don't learn

JimmyCracksCorn is offline JimmyCracksCorn
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PH, maybe the UK is a dried up market for your field. Ever considered moving abroad?

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PH, maybe the UK is a dried up market for your field. Ever considered moving abroad?


He's from Hull, he's considered moving everywhere!

Ted Striker is offline Ted Striker
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On the brighter side, you've got 4 months to find work.

That you already have a job makes you very marketable than someone out there with no experience.

So fight like hell until you get something.

Don't take no for an answer!!!!

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Move to America. We have way more science jobs then the UK plus the pay is higher and the taxes are lower. California is nice.

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Move to America. We have way more science jobs then the UK plus the pay is higher and the taxes are lower. California is nice.


taxes are lower in California?

Ted Striker is offline Ted Striker
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Relative to the UK.

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Dude, you are so right.

For every problem, a chemical solution.

Oerdin is offline Oerdin
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taxes are lower in California?


Then the UK? I'd bet they are but I could be wrong.

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How about Sweden? I bet the working language in the science sector is english here anyway.

 
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