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Lundenwic
Oct 2001
time: 15:17
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Originally posted by lord of the mark
"When a man tires of London....."
But then Samuel Johnson wasn't familiar with Seasonal Affective Disorder, was he? He'd never been to California, had he? |
He was intimately familiar with Obsessive Compulsive Disorder though, and a range of other nervous disorders.
He had also been subject to episodes of what used to be described as accidie and melancholia, so seasonal affective disorder would not have been an alien concept to him.
Some more London quotations:
"....I naturally gravitated to London, that great cesspool into which all the loungers and idlers of the Empire are irresistibly drained."
Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, 'A Study in Scarlet'
" LONDON, thou art of townes A per se.
Soveraign of cities, seemliest in sight,
Of high renoun, riches and royaltie;
Of lordis, barons, and many a goodly knyght;
Of most delectable lusty ladies bright;
Of famous prelatis, in habitis clericall;
Of merchauntis full of substaunce and of myght:
London, thou art the flour of Cities all. "
William Dunbar (c1460- c1520)
'In Honour of the City of London'
(and he was a Scot!)
" Earth has not any thing to shew more fair:
Dull would he be of soul who could pass by
A sight so touching in its majesty;
This City now doth like a garment wear
The beauty of the morning; silent, bare,
Ships, towers, domes, theatres, and temples lie
Open unto the fields, and to the sky;
All bright and glittering in the smokeless air.
Never did sun more beautifully steep
In his first splendor valley, rock, or hill;
Ne'er saw I, never felt, a calm so deep!
The river glideth at his own sweet will:
Dear God! the very houses seem asleep;
And all that mightly heart is lying still! "
William Wordsworth (1770-1850)
'Composed Upon Westminster Bridge Sept 3, 1802'
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Oerdin
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of Internet Music.
Sep 2001
time: 21:17
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Originally posted by Urban Ranger
As for Hong Kong, not much should be contributed to the actions of the colonial government. Did they plan it? Certainly not. Did they actively guided and assisted the local economy? Nope. So what was it? |
Hong Kong was a fishing village that sat on a nice harbor and the British China traders recognized it as a good spot to run their trading activities in China out of that location. Hong Kong grew intially off of that trade.
Of course much of Hong Kong's success had to do that, unlike the rest of China, Hong Kong had a stable government and the rule of law. Throughout the Chinese civil war and eight years of the Japanese invasion Hong Kong was a calm, peaceful, and orderly place were lots of refugees went to get away from the lawlessness and fighting in the rest of China.
Post war the communist government in the main land carried out numerous purges of capitalist business owners, intellectuals, journalists, and anyone remotely associated with the previous Imperial or Nationalist governments. Many of those people, especially industrialists and intellectials, fleed to Hong Kong because it was a safe place to rebuild their lives. The colonial government was responsible the orderly rule of law and the pro-property rights laws which made the growth of Hong Kong's economy possible.
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McGregornobi!
Oct 2002
time: 21:17
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Ah, Ulysses.
I love Tennyson. He's my favourite.
Darn y.
Last edited by Ben Kenobi on 08-12-2004 at 16:42
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Urban Ranger
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Apolyton Duke of Off-Topic
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Originally posted by Oerdin
Of course much of Hong Kong's success had to do that, unlike the rest of China, Hong Kong had a stable government and the rule of law. Throughout the Chinese civil war and eight years of the Japanese invasion Hong Kong was a calm, peaceful, and orderly place were lots of refugees went to get away from the lawlessness and fighting in the rest of China. |
Not quite as rosy as you described it. For starters, the Japanese did come in and conquered the territory on Christmas Day of 1941. It was quite a nasty place during those 3 years and 8 months.
quote:
Originally posted by Oerdin
Post war the communist government in the main land carried out numerous purges of capitalist business owners, intellectuals, journalists, and anyone remotely associated with the previous Imperial or Nationalist governments. Many of those people, especially industrialists and intellectials, fleed to Hong Kong because it was a safe place to rebuild their lives. |
The capitalists had started leaving before the civil war ended. However, intellectuals didn't leave. In fact, many secretly returned to China to help rebuild the country. The most famous among these are the Three Chins.
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Originally posted by Oerdin
The colonial government was responsible the orderly rule of law and the pro-property rights laws which made the growth of Hong Kong's economy possible. |
You meant brutal supression of workers and students movements.
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Tingkai
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To find the Northwest Passage
Aug 2001
time: 13:17
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Originally posted by Urban Ranger
Not quite as rosy as you described it. For starters, the Japanese did come in and conquered the territory on Christmas Day of 1941. It was quite a nasty place during those 3 years and 8 months.
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I think Oerdin was referring to pre-December 1941. His summary is pretty good and he notes some of the finer points about HK history than many outsiders miss.
The importance of rule of law is arguably overstated. Before 1949, HK was a relative backwater to Shanghai, even though it could be said the rule of law was stronger in HK.
The 1960s riots did a lot for HK. The Brits realised they needed to get the Hong Kong Chinese into positions of power and to give them a voice in gov't policy. Of course, the only people who got a voice were the rich.
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Tingkai
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To find the Northwest Passage
Aug 2001
time: 13:17
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Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn
Where's the puke smiley?
Honestly though, if you're not from Italy or Mexico, you've got nothing to brag about food-wise. |
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Cantonese
Thai
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07-12-2004 04:32
Or Hong Kong? 
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