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Yeah, I've never understood how the Americans have the audacity to criticise our cuisine when their only contribution to that field is f**king fast food such as McDonalds et al


wait a minute, what about Pizza, Chicken Chow Mein, and Tacos? To put it differently, we were decades ahead of you at adopting the really interesting foods from furriners.

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Wrong. We would not be where we are without French assistance in the Revolutionary War..


That as well, and as you mentioned it, it was rebelling against the British government that directly led to the foundation of the US as a nation. So your argument is actually supporting mine not contradicting it.

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wait a minute, what about Pizza, Chicken Chow Mein, and Tacos? To put it differently, we were decades ahead of you at adopting the really interesting foods from furriners.


Britain was importing interesting foreign foods before the US was even a country.

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Same here, but as a Frenchman, It is my birth-bestowed role to badmouth the Rosbifs


Funny - Its Krauts, Frogs and Rosbifs. All references to national foods of the big 3 Euro countries. Which is the best, which is the worst, be honest? Frogs legs, pickled cabbage or Roast Beef?

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wait a minute, what about Pizza, Chicken Chow Mein, and Tacos? To put it differently, we were decades ahead of you at adopting the really interesting foods from furriners.


Well, our culinary embarrassment is that we have so many damn McDonalds in this country

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Britain was importing interesting foreign foods before the US was even a country.


and mass marketing them?

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'The beau monde brand of cooking that is gracing restaurant menus across the country is called "new American cuisine." Its roots reach back to the earliest days of colonial settlement. It has come of age only recently, starting in the finest restaurants in our biggest cities, then spreading out geographically and socially to take root not just in restaurant kitchens but also in home kitchens around the country.

Like our forefathers’ and mothers’ cookery, new American cuisine is driven by seasonal ingredients purchased from local growers and small distributors. Its purveyors profess a commitment to presenting nature in its purest finery — peppery greens freshly pulled from the soil, fragrant fruits just plucked from the tree, and succulent fish netted in nearby sea or stream. The recipes they create are culled from a vast reservoir of regional and immigrant traditions made possible by the rich American experience. Each dish is meant to please the eye and delight the palate; each also connects us to the past. New American cuisine is our most mature blending of "indigenous ingredients, regional preferences, ethnic influences, and historical currents and traditions" to date, as David Belman wrote in the trade publication Restaurants USA.

With the ripening of new American cuisine has come a stunning profusion of restaurants and cookbooks devoted to the exquisite, authentic rendition of cooking from around the world. We do not just have Chinese food. We have Hunan, Szechuan, Cantonese, and more, and before we leave Asia, we can add Japanese, Korean, Thai, and Vietnamese cuisine, and Pan-Asian noodle houses offering up Indonesian and Malaysian variations. Where "Italian" once meant tomato sauce, we now choose from specialists in the cooking of Piedmont, Tuscany, Liguria, or Sicily. "Pacific Rim" cooks and Mediterranean restaurants span continents to offer samples of the beguiling similarities and intriguing differences on the stovetops where a body of water meets the land.

Meanwhile, any local supermarket bursts today with exotica unheard of 20 or 30 years ago. Consider the produce department. The ubiquitous white button mushroom is now just the humblest offering in a mushroom section, which also typically includes portabella, cremini, and shiitake, for starters. Iceberg lettuce must make room for green leaf, red leaf, escarole, endive, radicchio, Boston, and more. Most of those lettuces are now also available prewashed, impeccably fresh, and absurdly convenient, packaged in high-tech plastic bags. Through hybridization, we have discovered entirely new fruits and vegetables: Grocers have recently introduced us to broccoflower, the plumcot, and broccolini.

There is no avoiding a simple conclusion: Whatever else may be true of our cultural condition, future gourmands, "foodies," and social historians alike will conclude that by the end of the twentieth century, the golden age of cooking and eating was upon us.'

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In fairness, the US didn't do much mass marketing of foods in the 18ty century either.

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What a load of old cobblers...

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There is no avoiding a simple conclusion: Whatever else may be true of our cultural condition, future gourmands, "foodies," and social historians alike will conclude that by the end of the twentieth century, the golden age of cooking and eating was upon us.'

Is this supposed to be a good thing? I seem to recall Rome had pretty good food as it imploded into lead-poisoned barbarised ruin.

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Well done Molly Bloom on picking up the typo but I think I see an even larger flaw...Ulysses is by James Joyce, who is Irish


Not this poem cited by LotM...

You're thinking of the novel Ulysses.

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Has anyone seen Churchill the Hollywood years, I haven't had chance to see it yet but apparently it does a good job of taking the piss out of many US stereotypes of the UK

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Yeah, I've never understood how the Americans have the audacity to criticise our cuisine when their only contribution to that field is f**king fast food such as McDonalds et al


Every heard of California Fusion Cuisine? What about a New York Stripe or Texas BBQ or pot roast or corn bread or roast turkey or apple pie or southern fried chicken or New England Clam Chowder or Boston baked fish or zynfindel wine or fried catfish or bourbon whiskey or dozens of other uniquely American foods?

Few countries can offer a steak any where near as good as those you can find in just about any city or town in America.

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Fusion cuisine makes me ill.

Mixing Chinese food with Italian sauce? :vomit:

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On a different note the BBC is reporting the ChevronTexico has announced the discovery of a new half billion barrel of oil deposit off the Shetland Islands. There should also be a great deal of natural gas associated with these deposits as well.

Alex Salmond, a former oil economist with the Royal Bank of Scotland, say this discovery exceeds the total amount of oil so far extracited from Scottish waters. Does that mean the UK just doubled it's amount of oil reserves?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4080525.stm

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Few countries can offer a steak any where near as good as those you can find in just about any city or town in America.



And who says americans think they do everything better then everyone else

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Fusion cuisine makes me ill.

Mixing Chinese food with Italian sauce? :vomit:


It's actually a mixture of American, European, and Asia flavors. It's very good if the chief knows what he's doing.

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Haven't you heard? Eidos Interactive is bankrupt. Besides even on their best day they didn't make 1% of what Microsoft, IBM, or Lotus's software departments made and most of the big game makers reside in the US or Japan. The UK does have a nice cotage game industry though.


Well, show your ignorance for all to laugh at... who makes the game isn't the same thing as the name on the box.

Core Design are still doing very nicely, thank you, and as for the GTA lot, they're still hanging out in Scotland.

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Take it up with the BBC because they were the one's who said Eidos made Tomb Raider and they said Eidos was bankrupt.

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Is this supposed to be a good thing? I seem to recall Rome had pretty good food as it imploded into lead-poisoned barbarised ruin.


Rome had its lead, we've got our estrogen mimicing organic pesticide residues, heavy metal buildup, nitrate contamination, etc etc etc....

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That as well, and as you mentioned it, it was rebelling against the British government that directly led to the foundation of the US as a nation. So your argument is actually supporting mine not contradicting it.


British government directly led to the foundation of the American colonies - not US as a nation. The extent of British influence on the development of the US as a nation is confined to the writings of Locke and Hobbes..

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Well done Molly Bloom on picking up the typo but I think I see an even larger flaw...Ulysses is by James Joyce, who is Irish


The novel, 'Ulysses' is indeed by James Joyce, who although born in what is now Eire, was actually a citizen of the British Empire.

One of the virtues of the Irish is that like the Iranians beaten by the Arabs, they later on conquered their conquerors with their civilizing gifts.

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'The beau monde brand of cooking that is gracing restaurant menus across the country is called "new American cuisine."

There is no avoiding a simple conclusion: Whatever else may be true of our cultural condition, future gourmands, "foodies," and social historians alike will conclude that by the end of the twentieth century, the golden age of cooking and eating was upon us.'



Oh yeah.

" Today I have tasted a Hardees Monster Thickburger.

It is the Greatest Burger ever.

2 x 1/3 Angus patties
16 Strips of Bacon
Mayo
3 slices of Cheese "

from booger's king of kings thread.

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When I think of the UK, COOL is what pops into my head.

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It's actually a mixture of American, European, and Asia flavors. It's very good if the chief knows what he's doing.


"chef"

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What about roast turkey or apple pie or or New England Clam Chowder or dozens of other uniquely American foods?

Few countries can offer a steak any where near as good as those you can find in just about any city or town in America.


I'm sorry Oerdin old bean, but you've lost the plot.

There is nothing 'uniquely' American about roast turkey. In fact, not long after the Spanish conquest of the Aztecs, the Spanish were shipping the bird back to Europe where it soon started supplanting the goose as fare on holy days. Domesticated turkeys were in fact shipped from Europe to colonies in North America.

If you'd said, for instance Mole poblano de Guajolote, or a whole turkey tamale (as served by Caribbean Indians to Columbus and later Spanish settlers) you might be barking up the right tree. As it is, Europeans in Europe were eating roast turkey before the United States were even thought of.

And where do you think clam chowder originated ? Try Cornish and French/Breton sailors. In fact, its roots go even further back- a seafood/shellfish stew or soup with milk would have been eaten on any of the fish days prescribed by the Mediaeval Christian calendar- there's a recipe for 'Caudel of Musculs to Potage' in the recipe collection 'The Forme of Cury' copied by the scribes of Richard II of England- the compilation dates to about 1399, although the recipes are of earlier derivation.

I believe that 'Le Viandier' a cookery book collated by Guillaume Tiral or Taillevent and dated 1380, has a similar recipe. 'Caudel' and 'chowder' derive from the same Latin root as the French 'chaudiere' .

Now the apple pie thing is utterly hilarious- again, Kent and Somerset in England alone are renowned for their varieties of apples, and I can attest to the delicious taste of succulent fragrant spiced Dutch apple pie, redolent of cloves and sweetened with dried fruit.
Now remind me- wasn't New York once New Amsterdam?

Hmm... I'm sensing a connection.

As for the steak- you should travel more. Argentina and Brazil and Uruguay all have restaurants solely devoted to meat dishes, or cuts of meat. Australia and New Zealand can also boast plentiful supplies of world class beef.


Next you'll be claiming Americans invented eating.

http://www.thousandeggs.com/glossary.html

http://www.psgrill.net/Encyclopedia/ENCYCLOPEDIA.html

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British government directly led to the foundation of the American colonies - not US as a nation. The extent of British influence on the development of the US as a nation is confined to the writings of Locke and Hobbes..


Without us you'd be nothing! Get over it!

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Our cuisine is as old as the oldest cuisine we've assimilated.

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Cuisine is a French word defined as the French history/tradition of cooking. It's deliberately defined as such so that no-one else's food heritage can quite match up to it so they can declare theirs superior.

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to the people who claim America never invented any cuisine. I've traveled to numerous countries and can attest that there is a unique combination of food and flavors here..

 
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