21-12-2004 01:59									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Hercules I 'll have to check in the spreadsheet re next tech offer. ...

Which one do you use. I have Tech choices 1.07.xls, but apparently it gave not the result we had.

Did you got the same 4 techs only?

Doc Init
Polymor Soft
Ecol Eng
Nonlinear Math?

I quickly simulated another game in which I gave Data Angels all techs we had in 2152. I set research to soc Psych. Then another faction gave pre-accepted Soc Psych and Ethical Calculus to Angels, and now choices were different:

Doc Init
Int Int
Polymor Soft
Nonlinear Math
High Energy Chemistry
Field Modulation

It is more complicated than I thought.

	21-12-2004 03:03									#32
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I got the same as you.

With just Soc Psych discovered, 6 choices were offered and then with eth Calc it reduced to those 4.

	21-12-2004 03:37									#33
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So why I got in that excell spreadsheet 7 available from 8?
Any idea why this happened?

	21-12-2004 06:23									#34
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2153
Ok, so this includes your proposals, Hercules:

• Changing to demo will make the following changes
  Income - 15 -> 18
  Breakthroughs - 39 -> 30 !!!
  Quite a gain, so I would go for it just right now
  
• We put Ethical Calculus for Gaians, and this finalizes the deal. Sooner than I thought.
  
• Probe teams in the north move to Heaven's Gate, I thought rover might too.
  
• Formers nearby go to plant forest as indicated, near that hive sentinel
  
• Rover from KC move to RPs to replace spore L as garrison. Also when a pod is popped next turn - it is going to have an acces for possible mindworm presence to most of the tiles in the north, south 2 tiles will be covered by scout from SH. So no drone problems this turn, if everything goes right. Spore L moves with the loop as drawn - it will move to the pod from east, I think this will help to prevent appearing mindworms. The problem is that pod is not in the sensor range. Also spore might bombard possible mindworm - should we do it then?
  
• Other formers some more roads and forests, and also that tile (flat rainy) near the EM might be good for forest. It would possibly remove fungus from ridge to the east, and also might dry the terrain, but then we would harvest the forest. The tile is in blue circle, what do you think about it?
  
• I plan to rehome one more crawler to RPS, this will allow not to rush probe foil, and still get it next turn.
  

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	21-12-2004 07:28									#35
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Fine by me. I am not sure about moving the northern rover. It serves a useful purpose there. Then again it would be useful for exploring. I like your loopy idea with the spore.

	21-12-2004 19:08									#36
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whats going on with the probe team on the hive border?is it just going to stay there,or should it be moved so the transport can pick it up?

	21-12-2004 19:12									#37
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oh i see your last post said probe teamS

	23-12-2004 07:18									#38
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This should be in this forum.
End turn, 2153

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	29-12-2004 08:44									#39
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2154

• We obtained Optical Computers switched to Intellectual Integrity. Accumulated:22 perturn:17, expected 28 turns (from 30)
  
• We commissioned the first DA Probe foil. The closest opportunity to probe hive using it appears to be in 2158. The path drawn includes 3 turns and the fourth should reach the only base we know off from the base radius. This is provided no hive sea units are in the way. The travel will be also dangerous because there are 2 fungus tiles in the way - they will actually make this trip so long. The foil awaits our conformation to depart.
  
• Formers, mainly roads and forests.
  
• All main bases of size 3 are making network nodes now, growth-NN completion:
  EM 3-3
  KP 4-7
  KC 1-4
  RPS 1-6
  SH 11-16
  So only EM will be on time, the rest will have additional turns with pop 4 and no NN, unless hurried ofcourse.
  
• Popping the pod between RPS and SH.
  
• Forwarding Ethical Calculus to Gaians. There are also some new issues regarding our Gaian diplomacy, I will put them in the infotrader thread.
  

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	29-12-2004 09:51									#40
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Ok with this. Change build in RPS to Research Hospital for the pop.

SE settings are horrible but the ecs are welcome.

At last we get a foil out there.

	29-12-2004 17:40									#41
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Wow just noticed Yang's fortunes have taken a sharp dip.

I wonder if the Spartans are attacking him.

	31-12-2004 02:15									#42
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Attached is end 2154.

There is a problem. Popping the pod turned out to triger some dimentional shift in space and our spore launcher ended up far east on the Gaian? continent I suppose. See the save file. Also there is something like ruins there? anyway, I entered the monolith and upgraded the launcher in case of some mw attack - there is fungus everywhere around.

What to do?
- leave the spore launcher on the cost, do not inform Gaians and recover it as soon as possible? I would attampt this - fungus should hide the unit, unless Gaians patrol the area. I have an idea, how to do it.

- Inform (Gaians?) the faction and try to decided something with them?

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	01-01-2005 21:40									#43
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why retreat it?if we move it around the gaians area,we can get valuable maps and say we didnt know it was their turf

it would also make us seem more capable than we are,transport wise,wich might be a bad thing if we want to stay low

	03-01-2005 07:57									#44
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Advise the Gaian's about our situation. Explore a bit but then look to an exit point.

In reality both us and the Gaians need to co-operate very quickly. The Spartans are executing an excellent momentum Strategy.

Not against us but we need to be aware of what is happening out there. Btw I am surmising these events.

	03-01-2005 19:55									#45
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We do need a Data Gaian Pact and organizing who does what then colaberate.

	03-01-2005 22:46									#46
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A pact also gives us infiltration and that's why the other factions hestitate to Pact.

	05-01-2005 03:51									#47
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faced with losing to the spartans in the future,we should talk them into it.how friendly are they to us anyhow?

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I got 2155, but will have time in a few hours to post everything

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2155

• The year is pretty uneventfull yet. We got a new former in Verres Loft.
  
• It would be good to hurry three network nodes this turn. I would propose:
  - Enigma Machine, cause it grows in 2 turns, so we avoid doctors when growing. 8 EC
  - Rock-Paper-Scisors, just because there are 4 citizens. 84 EC
  - Kodycryptor. as above - 4 citizens. 28 EC (it will have one crawler 2mineral/turn when replaced)
  This way we get next turn 2 more workers not doctors. Kahlua Probing may get hurried later, it will grow in 3 turns.
  
• What to do with spore launcher? move it around?
  
• Probe Foil move toward Hive further. I think of uncovering map a bit before entering fungus what appears necessary, unless we find other hive base nearby
  
• What do you think of a new harbour base on our eastern border? I would propose tile (35,75), just between mineral and nutrient bonus. It should grow fast then. For this purpose we might start colony pod in Verres Loft. The base will grow next turn.
  

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	06-01-2005 14:58									#50
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I tend to agree with these proposals. But I wonder is there any merit in waiting one more turn before rushing those three nodes and thereby maybe being able to rush Kahlua Probing as well. Then we could adjust the SE settings. This would leave only Snowflake's Haven needing a NN.

Otoh it would be good to see those nodes speeding research and production.

	06-01-2005 15:25									#51
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I think that one turn earlier will give us around 5 lab points more. It will cost 3 EC more. Plus there is bonus having two workers more during that additional turn - so more nutrients, minerals and energy.
We could adjust SE settings in 2158. We will be able to hurry Kahlua probing in 2157 unfortunatelly. I estimate there may be not enough energy in 2156 for that unless I will rebase a crawler, I will see if it is possible.
A doctor will be needed thus in SH from that time when SE are changed.

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Any more proposals, votes, thoughts?

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Not from me. So proceed.

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Here is the end turn save.

I hurried only EM network node, so the next turn we can hurry RPs, KC and KP.
I took also the other route with the probe foil - just because there is no fungus.

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	08-01-2005 06:46									#55
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Well done.

Btw Mart, this is a soul destroying slog, so well done for hanging in there. I appreciate your commitment. I think the other silent guys appreciate it.

Cataphract887 and ForesterSOF are also making useful contributions, so thank you guys as well.

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your very welcome,but i cant say ive been to active.soul destroying?great!more credit to us when we win i firmly believe anything is winnable,though with humans behind the wheel of other civs,that goes both ways

	08-01-2005 08:43									#57
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Hercules, thank you for kind words.
I also think that game becomes more and more interesting. There is sure a lot happening among other factions:
- Morganities and Spartans just had a skirmish and I believe they are in war, unless signed a truce.
- Spartans fight with University.
- Gaians have war with Hive.
- Overall I would call our interfactional relations as very good.

As for our situation:
- Just had an dimentional rift accident - I still need to inform Gaians but I think we are not discovered yet.
- Our probe foil is looking for a hive base to probe.
- We will have a transport foil next turn and 2 probe teams ready to look for new tasks. We will for sure uncover a lot more map soon. Maybe also new treaties with other AI.
- We are also soon to boost economy and research with new network nodes and changed SE.

I wonder a bit why Gaians are so low on the power graph. But with Ethical Calculus they may grow soon. We seem to grow recently quite well. We should also think a bit how to pop boom. My experience is that we will be able to do it to some extent now, maybe even something like population 7 or so due to drones and also need to have habitation complexes. Some posts ago I have drawn a schematic of proposed facilities queue. But I think we should also be quite diverse, as ForesterSOF says and I agree here with him. In case of sneaky attack by Hive we may be in trouble when not having some good military. So this is something to consider.

And this reminds me, I have to attend our diplomacy, there are a few new issues...

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quote: Originally posted by Cataphract887 ... with humans behind the wheel of other civs,that goes both ways

Yes, and look how well Morganities and Spartans are doing. They have in their factions some really good players. Spartans are usually very difficult to play. By this the game is more interesting that way.

	08-01-2005 20:01									#59
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I would suggest moving 6 to 1.5.

I am big on research. Kknowlege with allies seems to be what we will need.

	09-01-2005 22:47									#60
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Back in action... I hate it when I don't get updates to my threads.

No comment thus far though.