09-12-2004 18:17									#1
	2151: Pre-planning discussion and build/movement orders Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Some suggestions and notes for MY 2151 I wrote down while looking at the 2150 endsave:

Rehome the SNC Mercury and all the land units that visit University Base to that base, to free up minerals from support cost back in our homelands.
(Or should we instead aim for the exact opposite? Keeping Arcadia as support-free as possible, so those extra minerals can help reconstruct the conquered bases as soon as possible? Either policy has merits I assume.)

Worker relocation:
Place the GH 2-1-0 worker on the 1-2-2 forest that will be completed next year.

Question regarding the Crypteia moving to Vladivostok. I'm not sure I'm up to date: Will it stay in VV, be escorted with SNC Hermes to the new base, or be escorted with SNC Mercury to probe-defend our conquered Arcadian bases?

Unit movements:

Let the SC4 scout patrol in RG escort the CP going north. To replace the garrison, change production in RG to a hoplite, which will then finish MY 2152. As drone riots are checked for after production, there wouldn't be a riot.

Move the other RG garrison to FB. Let it be replaced by the SC4 hoplite in FB. = preparing for possible rehoming MY 2152

Possible option: If we want a Manifold base to be able to defend well against PK rovers, we could perhaps send the elite garrison in Vladivostok along with the CP to its new base location, and upgrade it to an impact infantry after arrival.

If we want to send two hoplites to Arcadia with the next Mercury ferry service (along with the probe team and Castor Horsemen), we could do the following:

Next year VV will have 4 mins accumulated, and its production will be five (provided the SNC Mercury is rehomed to University Base). So hurrying one mineral (in this case 5 credits I think) would suffice to finish the hoplite.

That accounts for one hoplite.

For the second hoplite we could change production in Sector Craterwest or Santiago Citadel to a hoplite. That should be finished MY 2152, so once again we could move one of the hoplites out of the base without causing a drone riot. Since our bases are placed so conveniently close, we could then do a whole chain of hoplite hopping to move a hoplite to Vladivostok.
For example, if we would decide to change SC3 production to a hoplite, we could move a SC3 hoplite to SC4, move a SC4 hoplite to SC2, move a SC2 hoplite to OA, and move a OA hoplite towards VV, to be picked up by the Mercury. So thanks to building a new hoplite in SC3, we could send a OA hoplite to Arcadia.

Btw, due to capturing University Base it's possible or likely b-drones could appear in Sparta Command and/or Olympus Academy (and Minas Tirith, but that's no problem). So therefore I guess it would be best to wait with any hoplite shuffling until after we've captured Uni Base, so we know whether or not we need to send some extra hoplites to a base to quell extra drones.
Even if no b-drones would appear after capturing Uni Base, we are certain they will appear after capturing our twelfth base (12 = twice our 6-base bureaucracy limit, meaning ALL pops are drones). So in any case I guess it would be best to build some extra hoplites asap.

	10-12-2004 19:54									#2
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quote: Originally posted by Maniac Rehome the SNC Mercury and all the land units that visit University Base to that base, to free up minerals from support cost back in our homelands. (Or should we instead aim for the exact opposite? Keeping Arcadia as support-free as possible, so those extra minerals can help reconstruct the conquered bases as soon as possible? Either policy has merits I assume.)

I've suggested in the invasion thread just rehoming Mercury ( currently Vlad) and Chiron Knights (current home for it is Minas Tirith)

quote: Question regarding the Crypteia moving to Vladivostok. I'm not sure I'm up to date: Will it stay in VV, be escorted with SNC Hermes to the new base, or be escorted with SNC Mercury to probe-defend our conquered Arcadian bases?

Move to UnivBase for guard duty there - not so much against Zak, who currently ahs no probes, but agaisnt Morgan. But we need asap another Crypteia for Vlad for the same reason)

quote: Unit movements: Let the SC4 scout patrol in RG escort the CP going north. To replace the garrison, change production in RG to a hoplite, which will then finish MY 2152. As drone riots are checked for after production, there wouldn't be a riot.

quote: Move the other RG garrison to FB. Let it be replaced by the SC4 hoplite in FB. = preparing for possible rehoming MY 2152 Possible option: If we want a Manifold base to be able to defend well against PK rovers, we could perhaps send the elite garrison in Vladivostok along with the CP to its new base location, and upgrade it to an impact infantry after arrival. If we want to send two hoplites to Arcadia with the next Mercury ferry service (along with the probe team and Castor Horsemen), we could do the following: Next year VV will have 4 mins accumulated, and its production will be five (provided the SNC Mercury is rehomed to University Base). So hurrying one mineral (in this case 5 credits I think) would suffice to finish the hoplite. That accounts for one hoplite. For the second hoplite we could change production in Sector Craterwest or Santiago Citadel to a hoplite. That should be finished MY 2152, so once again we could move one of the hoplites out of the base without causing a drone riot. Since our bases are placed so conveniently close, we could then do a whole chain of hoplite hopping to move a hoplite to Vladivostok. For example, if we would decide to change SC3 production to a hoplite, we could move a SC3 hoplite to SC4, move a SC4 hoplite to SC2, move a SC2 hoplite to OA, and move a OA hoplite towards VV, to be picked up by the Mercury. So thanks to building a new hoplite in SC3, we could send a OA hoplite to Arcadia.

I like that sequence

But we have to be careful that in all of this Yang doesn;t plonk a base upriver on the Rio Rojo. That would put all of that southeastern coastline under Hive control. So I'm currently thinking we should just keep to the original plan and send hermes to the site below the fungal wall, and save the Nexus for a later base (perhaps from GH, if we colony pod it)

quote: Btw, due to capturing University Base it's possible or likely b-drones could appear in Sparta Command and/or Olympus Academy (and Minas Tirith, but that's no problem). So therefore I guess it would be best to wait with any hoplite shuffling until after we've captured Uni Base, so we know whether or not we need to send some extra hoplites to a base to quell extra drones. Even if no b-drones would appear after capturing Uni Base, we are certain they will appear after capturing our twelfth base (12 = twice our 6-base bureaucracy limit, meaning ALL pops are drones). So in any case I guess it would be best to build some extra hoplites asap.

Right. Hoplites and Crypteia I'd say are our priorities

	11-12-2004 02:08									#3
	Re: Re: 2151: Pre-planning discussion and build/movement orders Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

quote: Originally posted by Googlie I've suggested in the invasion thread just rehoming Mercury ( currently Vlad) and Chiron Knights (current home for it is Minas Tirith)

quote: Move to UnivBase for guard duty there - not so much against Zak, who currently ahs no probes, but agaisnt Morgan. But we need asap another Crypteia for Vlad for the same reason)

Will the Crypteia be ferried on the next Mercury trip? (meaning one less hoplite needs to be rushed to VV to fill the transport)

quote: But we have to be careful that in all of this Yang doesn;t plonk a base upriver on the Rio Rojo. That would put all of that southeastern coastline under Hive control. So I'm currently thinking we should just keep to the original plan and send hermes to the site below the fungal wall, and save the Nexus for a later base (perhaps from GH, if we colony pod it)

Sounds good to me.

quote: Right. Hoplites and Crypteia I'd say are our priorities

	12-12-2004 05:09									#4
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crossreference invasion thread for move details:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...103#post3494095

	12-12-2004 05:43									#5
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Post-invasion midturn save (almost final)

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	12-12-2004 08:58									#7
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The voyage of the Invincible continues (Gaia's Landing courtesy of Lal, who got the landing sites from the Unity wreckage)

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	12-12-2004 10:06									#8
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Some thoughts for the balance of the turn:

If we changed now at OA from a crawler to a 1-2t-2 trance scout skirmisher (complete next turn) we could then load up the Mercury with the Castor Horsemen, a Hoplite, a longstrider and a wheeled defender (to head down to KopObs)

And Vlad needs to next build a Crypteia (to be finished before that Morgan 'Gator rounds Cape Wrath

And Arcadia University needs to build a Crypteia rather than a Hoplite. We can ferry the cheaper Hoplites over, but with 10 mins AU is joint leader (with OA) in mineral production

And a general thought. We might not be a tech powerhouse (esp having the tech lead) but ....... if we were running Dem and FM, and had the sliders at 10/10/80, we'd be a tech every ten turns. Not too shabby

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	12-12-2004 10:50									#9
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2151 moves

Special Projects

• Maritime Control Center built.
  
• Merchant Exchange captured

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	12-12-2004 20:45									#10
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Turn is pretty much final - if everyone's OK with the build orders and the worker allocations, I'll save, zip and send

	12-12-2004 22:24									#11
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Seems fine to me.