10-12-2004 19:24									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Maniac So, referring to the 2151 turn planning thread, does that mean you would opt not to burden our conquered lands with supporting our troops, and thus limit our rehoming to only two units (to make use of the two free support slots)?

That makes more sense - I'd rehome the Mercury (free up a min for Vlad) and Chron Knights (currently homed to Minas Tirith)

quote: Thinking further about this, we could perhaps destroy the Koppernigk garrison, but not yet take the base. Destroying the garrison would reduce the base to size 1. As a consequence only two instead of three nutrient rows would have to be filled, and Koppernigk would have enough nuts accumulated to grow back to size 2 the year after. Thus we could capture Koppernigk MY 2152 without destroying it.

Good tinking - and it's 4 tiles away from Monitoring Station (from whence Zak will send 1 or 2 of the synthmetal garrison units to try and retake it/sentry it) so we shouyld be able thus to empty MonStat from some of its units in advance.

We need to be on guard for those 2 Ogres, though (and have the longstrider ready to subvert one as they are great for x2 police duty)

(and re an earlier query - I had thought to move the Crypteia to UnivBase as a covert ops deterrent and the longstrider for more offensive probe actions (like getting Env Econ)

Any thoughts of perhaps going "live" next turn - it'll reach us on Sunday, and if we can reach concensus re a time, we could maybe get a bunch of us into the website Chat room while the invasion takes place

	12-12-2004 01:30									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Googlie Any thoughts of perhaps going "live" next turn - it'll reach us on Sunday, and if we can reach concensus re a time, we could maybe get a bunch of us into the website Chat room while the invasion takes place

Sounds like a great idea to me! Tonight would have been perfect since my plans were scrubbed just now, but I reckon I'll be home tomorrow night as well.

I can't keep track of all you foreigners and your strange time customs, but how about 24 hours from now? Earlier than that might also work, but not much later.

	12-12-2004 03:43									#63
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Turn is up right now - anyone around?

	12-12-2004 04:08									#64
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I'm just in actually.

	12-12-2004 04:10									#65
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Don't know if Maniac's around - it'll be just past midnight in Belgium

	12-12-2004 04:49									#66
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I guess I could always open the turn, have a look around, deal with any housekeeping items, etc maybe trade techs with Zak and Lal and await company before launching the attack

	12-12-2004 05:07									#67
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2151 turn – pre-invasion moves

Morgan sends 4 ec’s
Hoplite infantryman survives the mindworm attack at Minas Tirith
MCC completed
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Called Zak – traded HEC for Env Econ
Called Lal – sold him Env Econ for25 ec’s (Zak would have sent it to him this turn anyway!!)

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Longstrider #1 moves into Minas Tirith and takes up defensive probe duties

Longstrider #2, Crypteais and Castor Horsemen moved to Vlad. Colony pod just outside base .

Hermes moved into bay ready for colony pod boarding

Turn saved

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	12-12-2004 05:45									#68
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Wait a minute, we're invading in 2151? Or 2152?

* Kassiopeia curses the absolutely horrendous timing of this vis-a-vis his current busy-ness

So. We need a copy of The Phalanx out ASAP (I'm going to bed soon though, will have to start churning it out first thing in the morning I suppose). I assume we are going with the "unethical buggers" justification? I don't think we should use "Operation Barbarossa" due to the historical connotations (it may end up offending someone), we should be more imaginitive than that.

	12-12-2004 05:57									#69
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We're invading NOW!!

I agree about Barbarossa - it was just a wild thought that came in my mind when I noticed the similarities with our current situation.

Regarding possible justifications, besides of course "unethical buggers" and "weapons of mass destruction programs", I wrote a speech in the IC Story thread claiming we're invadin to defend ourselves against their imperialism.

	12-12-2004 06:20									#70
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How has their imperialism manifested itself so far? Something tells me your writeup in the story thread might tell me this though

	12-12-2004 06:23									#71
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Their decadent culture and economic agression are corrupting the minds of our Helots (Spartan non-citizens).

	12-12-2004 06:53									#72
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We just need to tell everyone that we need more "lebensraum."

BTW, yes, I'm still around. Even though this is my first post in a while, I'm still popping in every now and then. Excellent work on the Uni invasion plans! :b

	12-12-2004 06:59									#73
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Morgan probefoil sighted

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	12-12-2004 07:01									#74
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quote: Originally posted by Zeiter We just need to tell everyone that we need more "lebensraum." BTW, yes, I'm still around. Even though this is my first post in a while, I'm still popping in every now and then. Excellent work on the Uni invasion plans! :b

Great to see you Zeiter!

	12-12-2004 08:03									#75
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Live reporting of the Invasion

quote: SNC Mercury moving into position Shinsengumi disembarking Attacking 32:15 odds (their Impact Squad) took 20% damage disembarking Chiron Knights Attacking their synthmetal took 30% damage Shinsengumi takes over the attack again 16:3 odds Base empty - will enter with Chiron Knights (for healing) Occupied the Merchant Exchange and extracted 57 ec's from the Uni treasury Base still has the Childrens Creche and the Hologram Theater intact But population reduced from 7 to 5, and they are rioting (2 drones) SNC Mercury enters the harbour drops off the Spartan Kel and Warwag, then vamooses for Vladivostok Warwag heads now for KopObs, but is stalled by a former in the way calls up Chiron Knights who still have 2/rds mp left, so it takes out the former in Warwag's way Warwag destroys the garrison at KopObs, but takes 60% damage Base reduced to 1, but will grow to 2 next turn It has no mineral production (is supporting a former and a colony pod), so garrison unit in build won't complete unless Zak rushes, so Warwag can enter next turn and heal to 100%

Successful Invasion

	12-12-2004 08:15									#76
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here's the full text of the Command Center discussion when the Invasion was underway6

Preswent were Lt Col Maniac, Lt Col Googlie and Major Kassiopeia

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	12-12-2004 09:00									#77
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Arcadia University

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	12-12-2004 12:44									#78
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Hey great job on the invasion! A pity I missed it, though I enjoyed reading the transcript.

It was a shame we couldn't get Koppernigk Observatory (Koppatory?) this turn, I guess Warwag simply doesn't have the same discipline as the Castor Horsemen

I'm not sure, but isn't the AI usually very ... creative about rush-building defenders when their garrison is destroyed? Worst case scenario is that he spends a whole wad of cash building something nasty, forcing us to destroy it, the base and damage another rover, not to mention us losing that cash from the [strike]plunder[/strike] Arcadia restoration fund.

Just a thought, why not build a 1 row scout unit in UniBase? That's what I generally do, it's pretty cheap to rush one right away (I think something like 40 ec's) , and then it can easily be upgraded. No need to send off Spartan Kel to kill the mindworm if we have a new unit garrisoned at UniBase.

	12-12-2004 14:24									#79
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Nice work. I see my boys did good, bringing the invasion force to it's destination.

I think we should still be able to kill whatever they rush next turn. Even if we have to destroy the base, I think it's better than alowing them to rush some counter-attackers close to us.

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	12-12-2004 18:36									#80
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quote: Originally posted by Snoddasmannen Hey great job on the invasion! A pity I missed it, though I enjoyed reading the transcript. It was a shame we couldn't get Koppernigk Observatory (Koppatory?) this turn, I guess Warwag simply doesn't have the same discipline as the Castor Horsemen

Holding off was intentional - with the base being reduced to size 1 pop it'd have been destroyed had we moved in. This way it grows in 2152 to size 2 and (hopefully) the defender isn't completed, so Warwag can waltz in, get healed, and we capture the base with its network Node intact.

quote: I'm not sure, but isn't the AI usually very ... creative about rush-building defenders when their garrison is destroyed? Worst case scenario is that he spends a whole wad of cash building something nasty, forcing us to destroy it, the base and damage another rover, not to mention us losing that cash from the plunder Arcadia restoration fund.

He already changed from their current production (rec tanks) to a synthsentinel

quote: Just a thought, why not build a 1 row scout unit in UniBase? That's what I generally do, it's pretty cheap to rush one right away (I think something like 40 ec's) , and then it can easily be upgraded.

That was our first plan - but on looking at what we can build, and how soon, we can send cheap Hoplites over from our mainland in the Mwercury, but we're short of Crypteia (they'll be in our next series of builds) AU can produce a Crypteia in 2 turns (10 minerals a turn) so that seemed to make so much more sense

quote: No need to send off Spartan Kel to kill the mindworm if we have a new unit garrisoned at UniBase.

Shinsengumi will enter the base next turn and thus free up Kel for Operation Mindworm. We'd still need to convert a worker to a Doctor even with 2 units in the base. Plus, with our +1 Morale, CN, Fundy and the Creche there, any defender would be instant Elite, so no mindworm kill boost is needed even if we did go the home Hoplite route.

	13-12-2004 03:47									#81
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Ah it all makes sense, thanks Googlie
It was very cold and calculating waiting for KopObs to fatten up like that. Can you imagine what was going on inside the minds of the poor citizens?

	13-12-2004 18:43									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Googlie Plus, with our +1 Morale, CN, Fundy and the Creche there, any defender would be instant Elite, so no mindworm kill boost is needed even if we did go the home Hoplite route.

Just for the record, children's creches give no morale level bonus to factions with neutral or positive SE Morale. So our units will be commando.


On another note, I'm beginning to fear conquering Monitoring Station might become very difficult, with their perimeter defence. They've got some disciplined/hardened synthmetal sentinels, with a +25% base defense, protected by a sensor array and perimeter defence, and further boosted by a children's creche. All this together means the odds of an elite rover against one of their defenders are almost equal. If we tried a direct attack we could lose a big part of our invasion force...

Therefore I'm wondering, how about sneaking past Monitoring Station and first striking at their less protected bases? Something like on the picture below:

	13-12-2004 18:50									#83
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But is it safe? If they catch our rovers in the open, they'll kill them. Or don't we expect any counter-attacks from Zak?

I assume we can be certain they will build that Perimeter Defense now (or rush it)?

	13-12-2004 18:57									#84
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quote: Originally posted by Modo44 But is it safe? If they catch our rovers in the open, they'll kill them. Or don't we expect any counter-attacks from Zak?

With our 3 MPs, hopefully we can take the initiative to kill any opposition in our neighbourhood. If not, normally our rovers should always be able to retreat due to their higher movement points.

Anyway, there aren't many University units we don't know the location of. Most are located in their bases. IIRC only one or wto scout patrols, some formers and of course their two ogres are unknown.

quote: I assume we can be certain they will build that Perimeter Defense now (or rush it)?

Yep. Monitoring Station had already accumulated a whole bunch of minerals towards building an energy bank. Previous year they switched to perimeter defence, keeping all their minerals, so the perimeter will be operational next year.

Sorry I can't show a screenie. I left my floppy drive at home, so I can't transport files from my laptop to my faculty's computer room.

	13-12-2004 19:03									#85
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Ok, so we can move rovers fast, and relatively safe. That's good.

So you suggest we go for what we can get, then return with more forces. If we can bring in infantry, or artillery, then it makes sense to wait before attacking. I like that.

Otherwise, we'll have to commit at some point anyway. Then halting their unit production would be more important, even with losses. And just look at the production potential of that particular base...

	13-12-2004 19:07									#86
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quote: Originally posted by Modo44 Otherwise, we'll have to commit at some point anyway. Then halting their unit production would be more important, even with losses. And just look at the production potential of that particular base...

Indeed... With 2 boreholes and a minerals mine in the base radius, it would be thé big prize of this war, even more than Arcadia University. It's a pity they decided to build a perimeter defence in exactly that base.

If they for example had only one defender, I might argue it could be worth losing a rover if we can capture the base next turn this way. But they have 3 synthmetal sentinels present, so this would probably mean losing several rovers...

	13-12-2004 20:49									#87
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I concur with the endrun to the east coast, and leave Monstat and Buddvor till the end (maybe we could minc-control Monstat away from Zak?)

I agree it's the prize worth having - 2 boreholes plua a mine (would be 3 boreholes but the Uni seems to have been able to build on one - no mineral or energy advantage to it, though)

We'd need to take out the sensor before attacking - and maybe attack via the monolith for instant turn-end repairs

Or we syntharmor our rovers? (or plasma?)

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	14-12-2004 01:34									#88
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quote: Originally posted by Googlie We'd need to take out the sensor before attacking - and maybe attack via the monolith for instant turn-end repairs

Sounds good. Destroying the sensor array removes a +25% defence bonus, and if we'd attack with Spartan Kel, that turns the odds back more in our favour.

Another option would of course be try to destroy the perimeter defence with some crypteia's. Downside is that destroying perimeter defence is a difficult probe action, so who knows we could some probes in the process.

	14-12-2004 19:08									#89
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I posted this in the Morgan Embassy:

quote: Posted in the Morgan Embassy by Googlie No big deal, but as the Uni plays its turn before you ................ To allow us to do some advance turn planning, could you advise us if the University completed the synthmetal garrison at Kop-Obs? We waited last turn before entering the empty base, as with 1 pop that would have destroyed it (it was 1 turn away from growing to size 2) It had no minerals (supporting a former and a colony pod with its 2 mins from the base) and when Zak changed from Rec Tanks to a garrison unit, he was a bunch of minerals short of completing it. Thanks in advance

	14-12-2004 19:17									#90
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Sounds good.

Btw, a fourth option I thought about to allow us to conquer Monitoring Station:
Just wait until Lal finishes research on Synthetic Fossil Fuels, upgrade some units to missile launchers, and attack!