14-01-2005 20:05									#61
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I wasn't proposing reading each other's threads, just having a summary "progress to date", maybe with a little spicy commentary to goad us on. The whole idea of a Spoiler is that others may have learned something advantageous that you should not know yet. I like playing in the dark (although this game introduces interesting modifications of that - sometimes my teammate learns something in his parallel play that I did not, which we can both take advantage of in the next round - neat side effect, Peaster!). I anticipate reading the MGE Spoiler with great gusto right after Team242 beats them soundly, despite our limited numbers and fewer posts.

	16-01-2005 22:45									#62
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I like Elephant's idea of posting summaries, except for the fact that I would to have to do it. So, I suggest the players can look at the other team's spoiler thread up to 2 weeks ago. Don't DL their saves, because you might get too much map info that way.

Here's a hasty comparison, with all the accuracy you'd expect from Herodotus...

Team 2.42 (mainly LaF and E)

3000BC - The Romans find an advanced tribe and build 4 cities, with 3 settlers soon. Roman scientists are researching ICS and Three Arrows.
2000BC - They have 8 cities and aim for peaceful trade with England. By comparison, they are quite jealous of the Zulu's, and cast lustful glances at their coastal cities.
1000BC - (best save not chosen yet)

Team MGE (mainly DB, G and SG)

3000BC - 4 cities (IIRC). Roman scientists are researching ways to steal tech from foreign tourists.
2000BC - They have 8 cities with an English chariot in their midst. Stu complains about the English.
1000BC - The Romans have killed the chariot and conquered London, among other cities.
(one 500BC post, so far)

Both teams are collecting foreign advances, trying to capture Wonders, and attacking coastal cities with frigates. Not sure who is ahead.

Your 500BC saves are due Thursday 1/20/05.

	17-01-2005 07:06									#63
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Though I am home for now, I have been "trapped" in hospital since before Christmas. Needless to say, I have not been able to help the lads of Team242 and probably will be of little support for the time being.

Therefore, if someone is lurking and would like to help out, even if only as advisor, they need more "bodies". Thanks....

Monk

	17-01-2005 21:02									#64
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OK -- I'm with the 2.42 er's.

Will look at it tonight. (reconfirming the slow side...)

	17-01-2005 21:24									#65
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Monk - Welcome back from the hospital ! Seems like I just said this to LaFayette last week. An-apple-a-day for Elephant and OnS.

	18-01-2005 02:02									#66
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Welcome home, Monk! (That is, to your domicile, and back here too!) I hope you're back in action soon.

	21-01-2005 09:08									#67
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The 2.42 team had three active players and an advisor this round, while Team MGE is temporarily down to two. Is the tide turning?

Your 1AD saves are due in one week, 1/27/05.

	21-01-2005 10:15									#68
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Progress Report (update to 1000BC saves). At first glance, Team MGE seems ahead...

MGE: 16 cities, 1.0M pop, 20 techs

242: 9 cities , 0.4M pop, 17 techs

However, Team 2.42 hopes trade with England will boost their economy soon, and Team MGE already faces a Zulu nation with gunpowder and Leo's. So, the games are very different, but both teams have good chances.

IIRC both teams have MPE and are planning to capture HG. perhaps by 500BC...

	24-01-2005 03:34									#69
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Stu suggests that the next turnset should be 10 turns instead of 20 (500bc to 250bc). If nobody has played past 250bc yet, this is OK with me. But if anybody has done so, or objects within 2 days, let's stick to the original schedule.... 1ad saves due by Thursday.

	24-01-2005 04:15									#70
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Sorry, I have already played past 250bc, and I have no save at 250bc.
stu should have asked sooner (or else he should choose to play with SlowThinker )

	27-01-2005 19:17									#71
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The Bunnyman joins the fray for Team MGE tonight...

	28-01-2005 10:40									#72
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Congratulations to Team 2.42 !!!! [La Fayette, Elephant, Bloody Monk, Old and Slow, in order of appearance]

La Fayette and Elephant both finished in 50BC, about 1500 years earlier than expected !

The MGE Team also did a great job, and really seemed ahead most of the way. Both sides showed great strategy and teamwork. Now you can visit each others spoiler pages and see how close it was.

	28-01-2005 12:11									#73
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Well, shucks. I've been playing all evening and I've only gotten to 150 BC, having a real blast just as Stu did. I was going to ask for an extension on the turnset due tonight, but I know I can't conquer by 1AD. Congratulations, Team 2.42!!

	31-01-2005 20:06									#74
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Congratulations Team 2.42!!

The two programs are very, very similar, but our mutual concern for finding incremental advantages magnified the differences. The 2.42 team exploited the slow AI to keep gunpowder out of the game, and the MGE exploited the aggressive AI to steal techs early.

- I think LF is right about Magellan's being the crucial difference.The MGE team opted for Michelangelo, Democracy, the Statue, and soft Fundy. Had we envisioned the situation more clearly we might have hit on SunTzu and Magellan's, saving 2 caravans and a lot of science. The 2.42 decision to trade was important in that it allowed a smaller number of cities with the same production.

Thanks Peaster!! This was so much fun - I have never thought to stomp and romp with frigates, but they are even successful (in sufficient numbers) against walled vet musketeers! And a frigate carrying a warrior takes out coastal AI cities in 1 very satisfying turn.

	31-01-2005 21:33									#75
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So what's the next one going to be - another conquest, or a spaceship game?

	01-02-2005 05:07									#76
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I am glad to see most players enjoyed this experiment. It was also fun to watch each team's discussions and their progress. So, if you want to do it again, what kind of starting position do you want ? (a harder one ? is a scenario OK ? spaceship or conquest ? ....) If somebody else wants to mod, that's OK too !

	01-02-2005 10:02									#77
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Although the scenario presented interesting challenges and opportunities, I think I would prefer that the next best-ball teaching game be a straight game, in order to maximize my learning opportunities.

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Sorry. I haven't had a chance to play, and I never came back to say so. I have been busy over in Civ3 with the Roman Demo Sxn, and some other stuff. That, Neverwinter Nights, and RL have filled up my time.

Sorry about that. Happy gaming.

Bloody Monk,
Good to see that you are out of the hospital.

	02-02-2005 03:25									#79
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quote: Originally posted by skrobism Sorry. I haven't had a chance to play

You were the silent member of the winning team
(too bad ... for you, since it was great fun)

	02-02-2005 09:23									#80
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Glad I could help.

	02-02-2005 11:41									#81
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quote: Originally posted by skrobism Sorry. I haven't had a chance to play, and I never came back to say so. I have been busy over in Civ3 with the Roman Demo Sxn, and some other stuff. That, Neverwinter Nights, and RL have filled up my time. Sorry about that. Happy gaming. Bloody Monk, Good to see that you are out of the hospital.

I don't understand - surely Neverwinter Nights is RL

RJM at Sleeper's

	02-02-2005 12:35									#82
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Oh hell!!!!

I just bought the NWN deluxe edition - planning on using it to pine away the months before Elder Scrolls IV - Oblivion is published. I had not realized that it had such a following and was regarded as RL!
My wife will divorce me - but I shan't notice being locked away in my study ....

How do I use a .hak file?

Stu

	02-02-2005 22:21									#83
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re NWN
Now we all have to get accounts at the Bioware site and play online.

I'm still working my way through the builders tutorial, and have gotten a few characters through the intro/training section.

I have no idea how to use the .hak yet.

If anyone wants to play on line email me here.
skrobism a-t yahoo d_0t com
or
theidiots a_t yahoo do_t com

I'll give it a go. Could be fun.

The only problem playing online might be our time zones. That and I'm really more of a TBS player. I got NWN cuz I was hoping to get an old D&D gang back together.

This is really too funny.

	02-02-2005 22:40									#84
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This thread is taking a turn into OT...

	03-02-2005 11:51									#85
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quote: Originally posted by Scouse Gits Oh hell!!!! I just bought the NWN deluxe edition - planning on using it to pine away the months before Elder Scrolls IV - Oblivion is published. I had not realized that it had such a following and was regarded as RL! My wife will divorce me - but I shan't notice being locked away in my study .... How do I use a .hak file? Stu

OK it's off topic, but put it in the hak folder. You don't need to do that for the official game, but some modules from the community use it.

RJM at Sleeper's