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Ted Striker is offline Ted Striker
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Well done Shawn.

And yes, Gonzales is being criticized heavily in alot of circles for being hired as a goalong man that will defend these memos without saying a word.

He is also here to help us get around the Geneva Convention the "best" way possible.

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Here are the memos. - note are pdf's, and I don't have my extractor so if anybody posts the bodies I'd appreciate it.

wid.ap.org/documents/doj/gonzales.pdf

stopimperialism.be/gonzales_is_justice_minister_now.pdf

For more memo links. stopimperialism.be/torture_memos.php

These are original documents, and represent views of Bush administration officials only one or two levels below the President. He has never come out and condemned them, sanctioned the officials, etc. Remember, "Silence betokens consent." Plus the memos are obvious attempts to circumnavigate the intent of various intenational agreements on torture, and the US Senates own definition added to the 1994 treaty ratification (see my earlier post).

While I believe they are wrong ethically and morally, that has been quite well discussed here and I choose to add a different spin. They are STUPID, they left a paper trail that is a public relations disaster with the world. Even you neocons must agree to that - or at least you would if you'd bother to link to the foreign press (not isolated papers, I'm talking as a totality, look at the foreign polls (on how the world views this administration, this war, and our actions taken during it) if you think I'm wrong.

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This link is priceless:

http://stopimperialism.be/torture_memos.php

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The 9 Psychological profiles at the end of this document are facinating. Note that this document was created in 1982 with alot of mention of Latin America, and it strongly opposes torture as a means of gathering information:

http://stopimperialism.be/Humanresoruce1.pdf

 
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