22-12-2004 08:28									#1
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From the Wall Street Journal:

quote: The Second Coming of Apple December 20, 2004 Apple Computer has been reborn -- and now it's on the verge of a renaissance. Yes, we know Apple's share of the PC market remains little more than a rounding error: According to market-research company International Data Corp., its share of PC shipments hovers around 2% in both the home and commercial sectors, with more than half the commercial numbers coming from educational sales. But we see a confluence of events that we think will substantially change some of those numbers, ushering in an Apple tidal wave that will remake the home PC landscape. Click here to continue reading. . .

Get ready folks! It's coming! Viva la Revolucion!

	22-12-2004 08:42									#3
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Yes, maybe Mac's market share will DOUBLE ! (and thus shift to 4%)

	22-12-2004 08:43									#4
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Second? I thought they were up to six or seven by now...

	22-12-2004 08:48									#5
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The iPod?

	22-12-2004 10:41									#6
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quote: Yes, we know Apple's share of the PC market remains little more than a rounding error: According to market-research company International Data Corp., its share of PC shipments hovers around 2% in both the home and commercial sectors, with more than half the commercial numbers coming from educational sales. But we see a confluence of events that we think will substantially change some of those numbers, ushering in an Apple tidal wave that will remake the home PC landscape. Click here to continue reading. . .

I'll pass, the first paragraph makes it clear the article is bullshit.

	22-12-2004 10:45									#7
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I doubt apple will ever be as big as the opposing armies of darkness.

	22-12-2004 11:19									#8
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Yesterday Apple announced the piece of technology that would grant it a near monopoly on worldwide computer sales: An iPod that not only lets you listen to music and take pictures, but surf the internet too! Now reduced to only $5000 USD (or 5500 Euros, or 6000 pounds)!

quote: LOL APPLE WILL PWN MICROSOFT NOW LO%L PRAISE~!

quote: Imran, just because you dont use anything to surf the internet doesn't mean others won't. And at 5000, this is a steal

quote: This is REVOLUTIONARY! Apple and Linux will soon have combined markethsare of 101% Microsoft doesn't stand a chance!

	22-12-2004 11:22									#9
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sooo true

	22-12-2004 11:33									#10
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You know, if I ejaculated as much **** about linux as MNG does Apple, the whole forum would be covered in stickies on why this place is NOT ****ING SLASHDOT!

	22-12-2004 11:35									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar Yesterday Apple announced the piece of technology that would grant it a near monopoly on worldwide computer sales: An iPod that not only lets you listen to music and take pictures, but surf the internet too! Now reduced to only $5000 USD (or 5500 Euros, or 6000 pounds)! quote: LOL APPLE WILL PWN MICROSOFT NOW LO%L PRAISE~! quote: Imran, just because you dont use anything to surf the internet doesn't mean others won't. And at 5000, this is a steal quote: This is REVOLUTIONARY! Apple and Linux will soon have combined markethsare of 101% Microsoft doesn't stand a chance!

	22-12-2004 14:03									#12
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Apple is surviving by selling consumer gadets like the Ipod. The trouble is consumers are notoriously fickle and as soon as they stop buying Ipods Apple loses nearly all of it's profits.

	22-12-2004 14:06									#13
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quote: Apple is surviving by selling consumer gadets like the Ipod. The trouble is consumers are notoriously fickle and as soon as they stop buying Ipods Apple loses nearly all of it's profits.

And the Apple Death Knell Counter ticks up another notch.

	22-12-2004 14:13									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Apple is surviving by selling consumer gadets like the Ipod. The trouble is consumers are notoriously fickle and as soon as they stop buying Ipods Apple loses nearly all of it's profits.

A lot of companies survive on consumer gadgets alone, though. Even mobile phones are gadgets these days.

	22-12-2004 14:25									#15
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Tassi

	22-12-2004 14:27									#16
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Apple is OK for the foreseeable future.

Microsoft are the ones that should be worried, they're being attacked from multiple sides. I don't think they'll be able to dethrone Google for a start.

More bad news for them is that even my mother uses Firefox now (and was pleasantly surprised that internet browsing didn't have to be ****). It's hard to say just yet, but if Firefox becomes viral, that is the end of MS browser domination, no matter what they do – they're too far behind now.

	22-12-2004 14:31									#17
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Supposedly MS is going to put in a new version of MSIE for "Shorthorn."

	22-12-2004 17:27									#18
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This thread is stupid. Throw rocks at it.

	22-12-2004 17:38									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Supposedly MS is going to put in a new version of MSIE for "Shorthorn."

Oooh, clever nickname!

that was the best you could do?

	22-12-2004 17:43									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar Yesterday Apple announced the piece of technology that would grant it a near monopoly on worldwide computer sales: An iPod that not only lets you listen to music and take pictures, but surf the internet too! Now reduced to only $5000 USD (or 5500 Euros, or 6000 pounds)! quote: LOL APPLE WILL PWN MICROSOFT NOW LO%L PRAISE~! quote: Imran, just because you dont use anything to surf the internet doesn't mean others won't. And at 5000, this is a steal quote: This is REVOLUTIONARY! Apple and Linux will soon have combined markethsare of 101% Microsoft doesn't stand a chance!

Post of the week

	22-12-2004 19:23									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Oooh, clever nickname! that was the best you could do?

Do you know how it came about?

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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Microsoft are the ones that should be worried, they're being attacked from multiple sides. I don't think they'll be able to dethrone Google for a start.

Which would do what harm to MS, exactly? Their Q4 results this year showed a 9% increase in revenue from Windows sales to $2.7 billion (of which $2.0 billion is profit), and a 23% increase in revenue from Office sales to $2.87 billion (of which almost $2.0 billion is profit) over the same period last year.

If that's being "attacked" I wish I could get some of it .

	22-12-2004 20:19									#23
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I really want some of that

	22-12-2004 20:28									#24
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quote: Originally posted by optimus2861 If that's being "attacked" I wish I could get some of it .

You know, according to Bill Parish, if Microsoft count employee stock options as expenses, they will be having some staggering losses*.

Since FASB is going to change that soon, I would be very, very careful wrt MSFT now.


* extrapolated from the linked article.

	22-12-2004 20:32									#25
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quote: Supposedly MS is going to put in a new version of MSIE for "Shorthorn."

Another joke from the clowns at Redmond.

	22-12-2004 20:41									#26
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More laughs

quote: Brussels blow to Microsoft upheld A European court has turned down an appeal by Microsoft to delay hard-hitting sanctions from the European Commission. The US software giant went to the European Court of First Instance to try to get the penalties for abuse of monopoly suspended. Microsoft wanted to delay the opening up of aspects of its Windows software system to rivals, and a record EU fine. The court dismissed Microsoft's plea "in its entirety".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4117217.stm

At least the Euros know how to deal with corrupt businesses.

	22-12-2004 20:44									#27
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Eurocoms

	22-12-2004 20:48									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger You know, according to Bill Parish, if Microsoft count employee stock options as expenses, they will be having some staggering losses*.

I'm skeptical of that analysis for one whopper of a reason: the Clinton DOJ was all over Microsoft in its anti-trust investigation during that time period. If there were also serious accounting irregularities going on, and DOJ got whiff of it, don't you think DOJ would have pursued that as well, or passed it on to the SEC?

The counter-point to this is that Enron & Worldcom/MCI were cooking their books during the same time period and sort of flew under Clinton's radar to blow up under Bush, but then neither of those firms were being pursued for anti-trust.

	22-12-2004 21:10									#29
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quote: The counter-point to this is that Enron & Worldcom/MCI were cooking their books during the same time period and sort of flew under Clinton's radar to blow up under Bush, but then neither of those firms were being pursued for anti-trust.

I don't think that this is so much the problem as it is a matter of the company's sole real asset being its monopoly. Only Office and Windows really make money, and the appreciation of the latter (apart from clowns like Asher) runs the gamut from resentment to hatred.

Every day it seems there is some new security exploit for Windows and Redmond does virtually nothing, seeming content to sustain its bloated corpse on users' misery.

Now they want to muscle in on home entertainment. God help us.

But as I said, they are being attacked from multiple sides by Google, OSS, etc. I wouldn't be using Office 2004 if someone hadn't gifted it to me, as free alternatives are now good enough (and in the reliability stakes actually better). Firefox is a manifestly superior browser to IE and is gaining some momentum and Longhorn now looks like it is going to be a service pack to XP with prettier graphics.

	22-12-2004 21:39									#30
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quote: I don't think that this is so much the problem as it is a matter of the company's sole real asset being its monopoly. Only Office and Windows really make money, and the appreciation of the latter (apart from clowns like Asher) runs the gamut from resentment to hatred.

Office isn't a monopoly. There are plenty of other systems that work on Windows, and can read Word files.

And I guess you've forgotten about things like the Xbox...