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Ask him if I was an unfair fanatic like you are. I'm not talking about these silly slagfests, but when people want some useful information.

What's this supposed to prove?

I couldn't even begin to tell you how many times I've given "useful information" to people on 'Poly about Windows and PC hardware in general.

You can claim you're not an Apple fanatic, but the sad fact is there is a mysterious cult around Apple products. Have you read The Cult of Mac?



Denial is the first step...

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Art is subjective. Period.


Perhaps. But not in the way you think of it. Art is not the same as the taste of carrots. It is possible to misunderstand an artwork, which introduces additional complexity into the picture, since you can dislike it, but your dislike is based on a false understanding.

Hence, even if it is "subjective" in some sense, there is a lot more to say.

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What happened was you were talking about something computer-related without an understanding of what you were saying. People with knowledge about computers read more into what you say because the words you use have meaning. "System-wide" means, for example, it'll affect the entire Operating System. Otherwise it's a widget-specific spellchecker, which is what OS X uses.


Nice cover. What happened is that you read more into it than was intended (if that's what's happening, and you aren't just BSing again), and went off onto a completely silly and irrelevant rampage.

The argument was about whether it was useful to have a spell check that works in any app. You said it wasn't. You said it would be a resource hog. You said X, you said Y. You made a fool of yourself by reading too much into someone else's comments.

When ordinary people talk about spell checks, they mean what I mean.

But even if that is true, you are still full of it, because you ended up arguing that we didn't need such a spell check, no matter what.

You really are quite pathetic.

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Nice cover. What happened is that you read more into it than was intended

1) You were posting in a tech thread
2) You used terminology with specific meaning

While I did read more into what was intended, the problem was you didn't know what you were talking about.

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But even if that is true, you are still full of it, because you ended up arguing that we didn't need such a spell check, no matter what.

What I said was that a system-wide spellcheck is ridiculous and unnecessary, and that I would personally turn off any widget spellchecker as well.

Feel free to re-read the thread...

A system-wide spellchecker clearly indicates it works across the entire system. If that's not what you intended, why did you say it? My money's on the fact that you didn't know it was not actually system-wide, which is a problem of your ignorance, not my "reading into" what you said.

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You really are quite pathetic.

I'm not the one fabricating stories and positions, while at the same time accusing the other of fabricating and exaggerating.

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The Cult of Mac is supposed to be a joke.

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I couldn't even begin to tell you how many times I've given "useful information" to people on 'Poly about Windows and PC hardware in general.


But you're biased, and obviously so. I freely admit my own bias and make a point of saying so while at least noting problems that people may encounter if they take it. You try to pretend that your own bias is objective.

Example - advice on buying audio players:

Mine: "Try them out and buy the one you like best. With stuff like this, that's the best way of deciding. Make sure you try them out. You should always try audio equipment."

You: "Don't buy an ipod, if you do I'll have a tantrum."

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Agathon, everybody is biased. What do you think? We are all human. However, some things are so strikingly obvious... such as the Apple G5 being slow compared to its PC counterparts. Well, I'm off to lunch.

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Mine: "Try them out and buy the one you like best. With stuff like this, that's the best way of deciding. Make sure you try them out. You should always try audio equipment."

You: "Don't buy an ipod, if you do I'll have a tantrum."

There's more to it than trying out the physical product in the store.

There's the issues of:
1) audio quality
2) battery life
3) durability
4) warranty coverage
5) format support
6) vendor lock-in

I've also said that, of course in an ideal situation you should try out all products as well.

But there's far more to it than that, an educated consumer comes to the store with far more knowledge than "I hear the iPod is supposed to be cool".

The reason you don't offer any form of real argument to defend the iPod's characteristics is because you know there's none to be made. The iPod loses out to competition on virtually every bullet I've listed, which also happens to be the only areas where we can argue in the realm of facts. Something your type is notoriously uneasy about. You prefer to deal with the subjective and try to rule it a fact.

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1) You were posting in a tech thread
2) You used terminology with specific meaning

While I did read more into what was intended, the problem was you didn't know what you were talking about.




I used terminology with specific meaning for regular folks. It's not my fault that you are incapable of carrying on a conversation with normal people.

You spent the whole thread complaining about the uselessness of optional spell checking without being specific. You just didn't like the idea because it was Apple's, hence your ridiculous defence of bad spelling.

Once again, you try to pretend that you meant something else. My money is on you feverishly looking it up afterwards in order to find any possible way out of the daft things you said in that thread. Knowing you, you'll go back and edit your old posts to remove the obviously crap stuff (which you've done before).

Pathetic.

End of story.

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I used terminology with specific meaning for regular folks.

In a thread with technical folks.

So again, the problem comes back to you.

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You spent the whole thread complaining about the uselessness of optional spell checking without being specific. You just didn't like the idea because it was Apple's, hence your ridiculous defence of bad spelling.

I don't like the idea because I don't like spellcheckers in informal situations. I disable them in my instant messengers, I disable them in personal email clients as well.

Informal grammar between people is hardly perfect, and is not intended to be. I don't want to waste my time with the spellchecker complaining each time I spell colour as "color", or if I spell "messenger" as "messanger", since I type so fast that I don't care...

I also don't think the defense of "bad spelling" (being one misspelled word in the thread on my behalf) was ridiculous. My position was as long as the situation is informal and the idea and intent was patently clear, there's no problem with being anal about spelling...

That's not a ridiculous position, but a ridiculous position would be calling that a ridiculous position.

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Pathetic.

End of story.

Agreed completely, but for completely different reasons of course...

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wow, i lost interest in the argument after it went away from computers...

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U of T is easily Canada's finest university and is pretty well known. Ask any diabetic for an opinion on that matter. It's not Oxford or Cambridge, but it is easily in the world top 30.

sorry, aggie, but i have to call shenanigans on this. i'd have to say McGill is more well known, and I'd think it's better than UoT.

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sorry, aggie, but i have to call shenanigans on this. i'd have to say McGill is more well known, and I'd think it's better than UoT.


It used to be. Unfortunately, it's an English speaking university in a French province. This means it has suffered from political fallout. It's a shame really, because it is, as you say, a very fine university.

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Agathon, everybody is biased. What do you think? We are all human.


Who are you and what did you do to the real Fez?

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sorry, aggie, but i have to call shenanigans on this. i'd have to say McGill is more well known, and I'd think it's better than UoT.


It used to be. Unfortunately, it's an English speaking university in a French province. This means it has suffered from political fallout. It's a shame really, because it is, as you say, a very fine university.


I've heard of McGill, but not of UofT. A lot of people, when I was talking to them about college, knew about McGill, but none of them even mentioned UofT.

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Funny, McGill is older, but U of T is better.

The one thing McGill does have going for it over U of T is that it's in Montréal. Toronto is pretty dull compared to Montréal. You'd have to be some kind of loser to have a bad time in Montréal.

I think McGill has been having money trouble too. I know a couple of their profs in my area were looking to move our way a couple of years back.

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Since when did Montreal become this super-fun city?

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After reading parts of this thread, all I have to say is...

WTF?!

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Since when did Montreal become this super-fun city?


(1) Since you can smoke pretty much where the **** you like (at least compared to TO). (2) Since the Quebecers aren't a bunch of do gooder prudes, and Saturday night downtown is great with all the food and my usual half tanker of beer.

There's a lot to be thankful for with regard to Quebec. Beautiful women for one, liberal attitudes for another, and permanently annoying those Albertan *******s tops all.

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Funny, McGill is older, but U of T is better.


I must also call shenanigans on this. I don't really care, but I've been told to believe that McGill is better than U of T...

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It used to be better than it is now. UofT is the 800lb gorilla of Canadian Universities. It's consistently the top Canadian Research University and has been so for years. It attracts the lion's share of funding and has the most Canada Research chairs. Plus it's big.

Moreover UBC is probably better than McGill now. McGill no longer has a Classics department. What university can be considered among the elite educational institution without a Classics department?

The idea of McGill probably has some snob appeal, but it's not the university it used to be.

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If you're using research money as some kind of metric, I'm sure you're quite aware of the massive increases the UofC is getting in research funding from the government and private companies lately...

It's up 43% this year alone.

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Sure, but it has a long way to go to get anywhere near UofT. In fact Calgary slipped 6.9% in funding this year and slipped one place to ninth, below Ottawa according to one source. UofA gets more.

Size matters. That is why we shouldn't forget the Université de Montréal.

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Check out researchinfosource they do the usual list.

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Check out researchinfosource they do the usual list.

How do they get their numbers? They show the UofC as getting $165M, while the official numbers in the budget show $247M. Specifically:

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Federal Tri-Council (CIHR, NSERC and SSHRC): $60,385,272 Other federal government programs: $36,246,912 Government of Alberta: $74,608,238 Corporate: $39,000,513 Other (NGOs, foundations, donors, etc.): $25,983,789 Investment: $10,531,721 TOTAL: $246,756,445


In any case, the funding in 1994 was 10M, and now it's at 247M 10 years later.

It's a clear trend.

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Perhaps they are wrong. I think the report might not include this year's money. If Calgary has been going up, then that's good news, because they were slipping from 2000 onwards.

In sheer amount it's hard to beat U of T, but we have a lot more faculty (although the university is dragged down by the satellite campuses, which are primarily teaching universities rather than research institutions, although they all count as part of U of T).

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The research investment went down a bit after 2000 because the Alberta government earmarked the ~70M/year to University expansion and improvement, rather than research. They built a bunch of new buildings and hired a bunch more staff, which is why the number is going way up now. All the new buildings they built (the first of which was the ICT -- Information and Communications Technology building...compsci) are open with full staff, and they're getting research money.

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They're all climbing. The Canada Research Chairs program and other increased government monies certainly made life around U of T a lot better.

I find some of the things RIS says funny. Their lauding of shitholes like McMaster & Guelph is rather amusing. Then again MacLeans is inclined to do that sort of thing.

An encouraging sign is UofA's performance.

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The research investment went down a bit after 2000 because the Alberta government earmarked the ~70M/year to University expansion and improvement, rather than research. They built a bunch of new buildings and hired a bunch more staff, which is why the number is going way up now. All the new buildings they built (the first of which was the ICT -- Information and Communications Technology building...compsci) are open with full staff, and they're getting research money.


I take it you've seen U of T, aka the building site.

Why are infotech buildings always so hideous? The new Baden building at U of T is a monstrosity, as is the new IT centre out at the UTM campus. I have to teach in the latter - it's like a morgue.

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How do they get their numbers? They show the UofC as getting $165M, while the official numbers in the budget show $247M.


If you'd done the math, you would have the answer. $165m must be the 2003 figure. $247m represents about a 49% increase. Give or take a few million here or there, that accounts for what you said. I'm guessing that the report takes last year's figures as it would be hard to publish yearly figures for 2004 before the year is out.

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If you'd done the math, you would have the answer. $165m must be the 2003 figure. $247m represents about a 49% increase. Give or take a few million here or there, that accounts for what you said. I'm guessing that the report takes last year's figures as it would be hard to publish yearly figures for 2004 before the year is out.

I had considered that, but even then the number is wrong.

Last year was $173M.

These seem to be magic numbers they have...

 
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