23-12-2004 07:52									#31
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quote: no we don't. native americans are free to use peyote in religious ceremonies.

Hmm...I didn't even mention native americans. I was thinking about the Rastafarians sitting in jails because they use pot. But now that you mention it, peyote use is only legal in 3 or 4 states out west and you have to be part Indian. People have gone to jail for peyote, including Indians...

quote: A small minority claims to be atheist, that doesn't mean they are.

And if they aren't atheists, do we call them atheists just because they insist we suspend rational thought and accept their falsehood?

	23-12-2004 07:52									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Nice Guy Many many more, including myself, are offended by the actions of the Atheist Communist Lawyers Union (ACLU) and other such liberal organizations. We are a Christian nation!

MNG made a funny!

	23-12-2004 07:54									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Nice Guy Oh, really? Well, it sure is funny how the ACLU attacks Christians and Jews, but leaves people of other religions alone.

Because most people aren't stupid enough to try and propose that we follow sharia law, etc. Only Christians are that dumb.

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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Nice Guy A small minority claims to be atheist, that doesn't mean they are.

What kind of idiotic rebuttal is this?

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quote: Originally posted by Berzerker And if they aren't atheists, do we call them atheists just because they insist we suspend rational thought and accept their falsehood?

That was a joke, Bezerker.

I sure hope you were joking because there is no, eh um, logic behind your argument.

	23-12-2004 08:05									#36
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that article is hilarious

I used to drive around with my buddies around xmas time, and we would reposition people's reindeers into ****ing positions... ROFL

	23-12-2004 08:09									#37
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"Mommy, what is Comet doing to Rudolph? And Blixen? And why is Dancer under them all?"

	23-12-2004 08:10									#38
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quote: Originally posted by DRoseDARs "Mommy, what is Comet doing to Rudolph? And Blixen? And why is Dancer under them all?"

	23-12-2004 08:15									#39
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here's an example

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This has been downloaded 99 time(s).

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Role reversal

	23-12-2004 08:29									#41
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ACLU

Defending true American values: the Bill of Rights.

No coincidence that since Bush was elected that 150,000 new members have joined up (including me ).

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I may not agree with EVERYTHING they do (such as go after nativity scenes on City Hall if they display other religious symbols), but on the whole, they defend the Bill of Rights and no one else does, except for the NRA, which I support on some stuff and not on others.

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quote: That was a joke, Bezerker.

If you say so.

quote: I sure hope you were joking because there is no, eh um, logic behind your argument.

Of course there is logic to what I said, just because someone claims to be a Christian doesn't mean they are Christian. To be a Christian one must follow the doctrine of that religion as defined by it's founder(s) just as atheists must follow a certain doctrine to qualify as atheists. If I ran around murdering people and calling myself a Christian, would you call me a Christian too?

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quote: Originally posted by Berzerker Of course there is logic to what I said, just because someone claims to be a Christian doesn't mean they are Christian. To be a Christian one must follow the doctrine of that religion as defined by it's founder(s) just as atheists must follow a certain doctrine to qualify as atheists. If I ran around murdering people and calling myself a Christian, would you call me a Christian too?

Well, it depends on *who* your murdering. You are granted a Class A Damnation Exemption by God(tm) if you murder:

-Gays
-Blacks
-Christians who dont think exactly like you
-Communists (US Scale)
-Moslems
-Jews
-Russians
-Asians
-Africans
-Brownpeople
-Liberals (US Scale)
-Women (Additional restrictions may apply, see packet)

Otherwise, no, he wouldnt

	23-12-2004 09:12									#46
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quote: used to drive around with my buddies around xmas time, and we would reposition people's reindeers into ****ing positions... ROFL

I used to sit out in halloween and beat the asses of people like you who tried to smash pumpkins. Feel free to stop by my house this Christmas

	23-12-2004 09:17									#47
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I'd pick Sava... he's crazy enough to do anything!

	23-12-2004 09:21									#48
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My oven uses more electricity than 1000 christmas lights, so i don't know what the problem is. Mostly just punk (or should i say drunk) kids taking out their issues on ornaments.

Of course, you yanks go too far with your christmas lights, but people should at least mutilate themselves before attacking anything else.

	23-12-2004 09:27									#49
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quote: they defend the Bill of Rights and no one else does, except for the NRA, which I support on some stuff and not on others.

The only people I see defending the BoR are libertarians and a tiny minority of conservatives. The ACLU and NRA merely support the amendments they like and ignore the ones that get in the way of their ideology. Two examples:

1) The ACLU is nowhere to be found when states/localities want to ban or severely restrict guns, yet they rely on the 14th Amendment to go after states and localities on the dubious argument that a nativity scene "establishes" religion. And of course the ACLU loves using the government to "re-distribute wealth" even though that was not the purpose of Congress as defined by the Constitution.

2) The NRA supports the drug war, a violation of several amendments including the 1st and 10th amendments.

	23-12-2004 09:28									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Nice Guy Oh, really? Well, it sure is funny how the ACLU attacks Christians and Jews, but leaves people of other religions alone.

You mean the same ACLU which has vigorously defended the right of Christians in schools to wear their religious symbols? The same ACLU that has defended the right of Jewish students to wear the Star of David?

You haven't a clue what the ACLU does or what it stands for. It's about protecting civil liberties, period--not just those of Christians. You just happen to not like it when it fights against your group imposing its views on others, but I'm sure you're all for it when it's defending your side.

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quote: Originally posted by Berzerker To be a Christian one must follow the doctrine of that religion as defined by it's founder(s) just as atheists must follow a certain doctrine to qualify as atheists.

All someone has to do to be an atheist is lack belief in a deity. No "doctrine" necessary. There's no such thing as "atheist philosophy," it's simply a state of non-belief.

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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar Well, it depends on *who* your murdering. You are granted a Class A Damnation Exemption by God(tm) if you murder: -Gays -Blacks -Christians who dont think exactly like you -Communists (US Scale) -Moslems -Jews -Russians -Asians -Africans -Brownpeople -Liberals (US Scale) -Women (Additional restrictions may apply, see packet) Otherwise, no, he wouldnt

Actually, if someone did that and called themselves Christian, they might get labeled as a terrorist.

Berzerker, your point is conceded. Apparently I completely misunderstood the logic in your statement. My bad. But you know, according to statistics coming from thousands of different sources there are millions upon millions of Christians in America. If I had to guesstimate how many Christians are in America, I would put it in the 30-40% range compared 50-65% other religion and 5-10% atheist/agnostic/deist/theist.

	23-12-2004 09:38									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov You mean the same ACLU which has vigorously defended the right of Christians in schools to wear their religious symbols? The same ACLU that has defended the right of Jewish students to wear the Star of David? You haven't a clue what the ACLU does or what it stands for. It's about protecting civil liberties, period--not just those of Christians. You just happen to not like it when it fights against your group imposing its views on others, but I'm sure you're all for it when it's defending your side.

Must I give you examples of the ACLU's treachery?

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quote: Must I give you examples of the ACLU's treachery?

You mean when they prevent the Christians from turning the US into a theocracy?

	23-12-2004 09:47									#56
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Oh, an example of ACLU coming to Christian's aid:

http://www.aclu.org/FreeSpeech/Free...m?ID=17183&c=42

quote: the ACLU criticized a separate ruling that upheld the transit agency’s decision to reject ads submitted by a Christian church group.

quote: In a separate case, which was combined with the marijuana policy reform ads lawsuit for the appeal, the court ruled that the transportation authority had the right to reject ads submitted by the Church of the Good News. The ads criticized the secularization of Christmas and promoted Christianity as the "one true religion." The ACLU of Massachusetts filed the lawsuit in 2002 charging that the transportation authority violated the religious liberty and free speech rights of the church.

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http://www.stoptheaclu.org/wst_page6.html

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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Nice Guy http://www.stoptheaclu.org/wst_page6.html

quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui You mean when they prevent the Christians from turning the US into a theocracy?

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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Nice Guy Actually, if someone did that and called themselves Christian, they might get labeled as a terrorist.

Gitmo better expand to hold a lot of southern rednecks then.

quote: Originally posted by Berzerker And of course the ACLU loves using the government to "re-distribute wealth" even though that was not the purpose of Congress as defined by the Constitution.

the Constitution gives the Federal and State governments the power to tax, and since the Constitution was amended to allow income taxes, you have no argument.

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http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLibert...?ID=16295&c=142

quote: LINCOLN --The American Civil Liberties Union of Nebraska today announced that it would defend a Presbyterian church from a forced eviction by the city. "There's no reason for the city to force the Church of the Awesome God from its home, and the city is violating both the First Amendment and federal law in doing so," said Tim Butz, Executive Director of the ACLU of Nebraska.

quote: "The First Amendment guarantees the right to free exercise of religion," ACLU of Nebraska Legal Director Amy Miller said. "A church cannot be forced to close its doors unless the city can prove there is a compelling reason to shut them down. In this case, the church is a small congregation that causes no problems for anyone. The city has failed to provide a single reason for ordering our clients out, though we've been requesting a reason for many months now."