23-12-2004 09:56									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui You mean when they prevent the Christians from turning the US into a theocracy?

Your point is meaningless. The rights that the ACLU is taking away are rights that have been around for over 200 hundred years in this country and still no one ever called it a theocracy.

	23-12-2004 09:59									#62
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quote: The rights that the ACLU is taking away are rights that have been around for over 200 hundred years in this country

What 'rights'? I don't see in the Bill of Rights a right to force your religion on school children in public school. I don't see a right infringing on the rights of the mother. I don't see a right to bash gays.

Which rights are you talking about and where do they come from? The Bible, perhaps?

	23-12-2004 09:59									#63
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Imran, if I were you I would quote third-party sources of information.

	23-12-2004 10:00									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Nice Guy Imran, if I were you I would quote third-party sources of information.

So are you denying that they are defending those Christians? Are they taking fake clients? If they had Christians so much as you say, why would they put on their website that they are defending Churches?

Perhaps because YOU ARE FULL OF ****!

	23-12-2004 10:02									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: The rights that the ACLU is taking away are rights that have been around for over 200 hundred years in this country What 'rights'? I don't see in the Bill of Rights a right to force your religion on school children in public school. I don't see a right infringing on the rights of the mother. I don't see a right to bash gays. Which rights are you talking about and where do they come from? The Bible, perhaps?

My point is that there are certain rights that we've had in the past and are being taken away.

	23-12-2004 10:03									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui So are you denying that they are defending those Christians? Are they taking fake clients? If they had Christians so much as you say, why would they put on their website that they are defending Churches?

To hide behind their evil deeds by making themselves look good.

	23-12-2004 10:06									#67
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Good night.

	23-12-2004 10:13									#68
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Here is something fun from a site. It's a third party, but one that is a fan of the ACLU .

http://c4tav.blogspot.com/

quote: Randi Rhodes, of the Randi Rhodes show on Air America Radio, recently did a survey of ACLU cases supporting the rights of Christians. These include: defending the rights of street preachers on the strip in Las Vegas, supporting baptisms in a park in Virginia, challenging the censorship on religious grounds of high school yearbook entries, defending students "punished for distributing candy canes with religious messages", challenging zoning decisions restricting African-American churches, supporting a minister who refused for religious reasons to have his picture taken for a drivers license, and demanding the rights of prisoners to possess religious articles such as rosaries in prison, among many other cases. The ACLU has also defended Rush Limbaugh in his attempt to keep his medical records confidential and worked with Jerry Falwell to allow churches to incorporate. In short, the ACLU is exactly what is claims to be: An organization dedicated to defending the civil liberties of all Americans and, far from being an anti-Christian organization, is equally dedicated to the rights of Christians as it is to the rights of Muslims, Jews, atheist, and all other Americans. The Center for Traditional American Values wishes to affirm its wholehearted support for the ACLU and rejects those who seek to undermine its work based on lies and selective memory.

	23-12-2004 10:14									#69
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Nice Guy My point is that there are certain rights that we've had in the past and are being taken away.

I asked before: "WHICH ONES"?

	23-12-2004 10:16									#70
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Nice Guy To hide behind their evil deeds by making themselves look good.

But they are good and people like you are guilty of 'evil deeds' .

	23-12-2004 11:28									#71
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Nice Guy They are part of the Apostate Church or fallen church. They have a form of Godliness, but deny it's power: 2 Timothy 3:5.

Timothy wasn't written by Paul. It is false words written after his death and attributed to him. You are a bad Chritian.

	23-12-2004 12:04									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor This thread is just one more proof that Imran is a filthy Commie

The project is coming along nicely.

	23-12-2004 12:55									#73
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quote: Originally posted by shawnmmcc Pha'nugli muglaw nafth Cthulhu Re'leh nuglaw fatagen! edited to note they deleted my gif

Ia iak sakkakh iak sakkakth Ia shaxul

	23-12-2004 15:31									#74
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Ia kingu ia cthulu ia azbul Ia azabua

	23-12-2004 15:54									#75
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You two really are geeks, aren't you?

	23-12-2004 17:23									#76
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Ph’nglui Mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh Wgah’nagl Fhtagn

	23-12-2004 17:29									#77
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I just said the same thing didn't I :|

	23-12-2004 18:51									#78
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quote: My point is that there are certain rights that we've had in the past and are being taken away.

Rights? More like privilege. When a privileged group faces the prospect of a level playing field (losing their privileged position), they typically don't like it. A case in point would be Sunnis in Iraq. Luckily for us, Christian fundies in the US haven't resorted to violence. I wouldn't put it past them, though.

This country has no official religion. To the extent we have a national religion, the Constitution is our Old Testament and the Bill of Rights is our New Testament. To those who want to turn my country into a theocracy, I respond with a hearty **** you! Believe in your invisible friend(s) if you want, but quit trying to force me to do what he/she/they say!

-Arrian

	23-12-2004 18:55									#79
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian Believe in your invisible friend(s) if you want, but quit trying to force me to do what he/she/they say!

All right but the cops might not like it when you start violating the "Thou shalt not murder" commandment.

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The law against murder isn't based on the commandment. They dovetail nicely, sure, but no society can do very well without laws against killing people out of hand.

-Arrian

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I won't even begin to cover how your neighbor might feel about you coveting his wife.

	23-12-2004 18:59									#82
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That's between me & him, actually. Although I must say... I'll pass.

-Arrian

	23-12-2004 19:01									#83
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To head this off, Dino, I'll put it this way:

Laws must have more justification than "God said so" for me to accept them. The law against murder has clear benifits to society, regardless of what "God" may or may not have said. Same with theft, etc.

-Arrian

	23-12-2004 19:01									#84
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Your mother and father might like it if you still honor them well.

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That's nice. I do, since I love them and they deserve honor, IMO.

But I'm sure glad there is no law requiring it.

-Arrian

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quote: Originally posted by Arrian To head this off, Dino, I'll put it this way:

I was just having a little fun if it wasn't obvious. I'll stop now

	23-12-2004 19:06									#87
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian That's nice. I do, since I love them and they deserve honor, IMO. But I'm sure glad there is no law requiring it.

Arrian:

Do you feel like starting some cult worshipping the "Kill Your Parents" llama? We may even make our beoliefs pass as US laws !

	23-12-2004 19:11									#88
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc I was just having a little fun if it wasn't obvious. I'll stop now

It was. Forgive me for not being amused. First, I'm touchy on this subject. Second, reading Mr. Nice Guy's posts got my blood up. Third, it's early (9am for me) and I'm in a cubicle.

My initial response was a simple without argument. I probably should have left it that way.

-Arrian

p.s. Spiff, why not a cult that requires something fun? NYE might be on to something, actually. He sacrifices M&M's to the godz while playing Civ. See? That's FUN.

	23-12-2004 20:30									#89
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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos I used to sit out in halloween and beat the asses of people like you who tried to smash pumpkins. Feel free to stop by my house this Christmas

that's okay... I'm probably faster, smarter and more heavily armed...

	23-12-2004 22:09									#90
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quote: Originally posted by Berzerker The only people I see defending the BoR are libertarians and a tiny minority of conservatives. The ACLU and NRA merely support the amendments they like and ignore the ones that get in the way of their ideology. Two examples: 1) The ACLU is nowhere to be found when states/localities want to ban or severely restrict guns, yet they rely on the 14th Amendment to go after states and localities on the dubious argument that a nativity scene "establishes" religion.

The problem, Berz, is that the Second Amendment does not apply to the states.