07-02-2005 19:10									#31
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So in 2159, the trannie with the 2 longstriders will anchor in Great Collective Bay and we'll take a couple of Yang goodies:

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	07-02-2005 19:24									#32
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Do we need his maps so much? I mean, if we could get two techs, wouldn't that be better?

	07-02-2005 19:26									#33
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Yang only has 1 tech (Superconductor) that we lack

	08-02-2005 19:19									#34
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Some general information:

Having completed research on Synthetic Fossils Fuels, the Peacekeepers have now started on Doctrine: Air Power and will complete the research project in fourteen years: MY 2172.


I also made an economical comparison between the Federation and the Corporation:

Sparta:
(support-free) minerals: 119
credits (with maintenance costs already deducted): 17
labs: 35.2

Corporation:
minerals: 88 (with +1 SE Industry)
credits: 94
labs: 110

	20-02-2005 12:45									#35
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Status bars as of 2160, post PTS Raid:

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	02-03-2005 23:05									#36
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Powerchart for 2161 - we're closing in on the Hive and growing our lead over Morgan!!

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	07-03-2005 20:42									#37
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Economical statistics for MY 2161:

Sparta:
minerals: 128
credits: 6 (should we be running 50-0-50)
labs: 30,4 (should we be running 50-0-50)

Morgan:
minerals: 65 (+1 SE Industry)
credits: 111
labs: 55
Their credits and labs will increase again next year though, as they rebuild their HQ.

Here are the statistics for MY 2159, repeated from three posts back:

Sparta:
(support-free) minerals: 119
credits (with maintenance costs already deducted): 17
labs: 35.2

Corporation:
minerals: 88 (with +1 SE Industry)
credits: 94
labs: 110

As you can see, our mineral production has slightly increased, while our credits and labs suffered due to commerce sanctions. As for the Corporation, their mineral production seems to have taken a considerable hit. As for the eventual decline in their energy production due to the PTS Raid, we'll have to wait until MY 2162 for a more accurate picture.

	07-03-2005 20:53									#38
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LOL - do you see where that PK Colony Pod just south of Tegea Harbour is headed?

To 77:65 (just south of the Freshwater Sea - it'll take 18 turns for it to get there!! - but, ah, there is a monolith to work there)

But talking of which, we are now in possession of some decent real estate - see the screenie below for my suggestions re future bases (hollow circles would need fungus cleared first) but all 4 would have innediate decent tiles to work

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	07-03-2005 20:58									#39
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Seem like good spots. So do we want to let Iaci Base produce colony pods after constructing a former or so?

Side question: how do you get those ripples and waves in the sea? Are you using a graphic mod, or is it just a side-effect of taking a screenie?

	07-03-2005 21:06									#40
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No - it's a screenie pasted on to a blank Microsoft PhotoEditor, then saved, and opened with Paint (whch I think distorts the sea tiles somewhat) so that I can draw the manual lines

I guess I could save directly to Paint, but I find Photo Editor easier to work with if all I'm doing is cutting and pasting

	10-03-2005 21:11									#41
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By building Iaci Base we have made it easier for the Angels and Morganites to infiltrate us. With some luck and creativity they could perhaps send some probes over land to infiltrate at Iaci Base. If we don't prepare for it, it would certainly be easier there than at eg our Northern Arcadian or Laconian bases.

To counter such possible tactics, once we can spare a B-4, may I suggest we patrol between UN Commerce Committee and UN High Commission to check for any incoming transports? As the Angels are allied to the Peacekeepers, hopefully them seeing a B-4 patrol willl already be sufficient to discourage them to infiltrate there.

Hmm, I just saw another way the Angels could infiltrate us. They could simply land a few probes at eg UN Aid Station and use the PK road network to walk right up Iaci Base or Tegea Harbour. To counter this, perhaps we could construct a few sensor arrays to spot incoming traffic (if we could find a free production spot for some formers of course)?

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	10-03-2005 22:20									#42
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Morganite economic stats 2162:

minerals: 79 (with +1 SE Industry)
credits: 191 (with +1 SE Industry - meaning hurrying production is less expensive)
labs: 61

Their economy is already bigger again than it was before the PTS raid!

	10-03-2005 22:41									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Maniac Their economy is already bigger again than it was before the PTS raid!

Courtesy of the Gaians, at least in part. I think we could and should show this data to the Angels, because it makes us look much weaker than Morgan - something we definately need after the raid.

	11-03-2005 08:08									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Maniac Their economy is already bigger again than it was before the PTS raid!

Ah, yes - Environmental Economics gave them quite a boost (as it did us, when we got it)

	11-03-2005 13:51									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Modo44 I think we could and should show this data to the Angels, because it makes us look much weaker than Morgan - something we definately need after the raid.

I agree.

For the record, here are our ecostats:

MY 2162

Sparta:
minerals: 137
credits: 6
labs: 32

	19-03-2005 04:12									#46
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As you may know, I believe that if we end up in an air war with the Corporation, that we'll lose in a war of attrition, if not directly against Morgan, than against the Gaians & Angels who can peacefully outgrow us while we're fully occupied. I also believe that five years is way too little to stage a succesful invasion against the Corporation before they'll get Air Power. (Though I invite everyone to prove me wrong by playing a few turns ahead with the simulator).

However I've been thinking that we could perhaps prevent the Gaian-Morganic "Axis of Weasels" to acquire Air Power.

They can get it from five sources:

• Sparta
  
• Peacekeepers
  
• University
  
• Hive
  
• Angels

As for the Spartan sources, we'll just have to continue our excellent Crypteia defences.

As for the Peacekeepers, we have forced Lal to declare war against Morgan this turn. Also the Gaians have apparently received the PK commlink this year. And when you look at our intelligence files on the Gaians you'll notice... they're already at war with the PKs! Apparently good old Lal doesn't like the Gaian attitude either.

So in any case, it seems unlikely they'll trade DAP with the PKs. Though if we can spare one, it would be useful to send a B-4 to PK territory to patrol for incoming enemy Gators. We know they're out there somewhere.

As for the University. They're already at war with the Corporation, and we have Crypteia present. As Zak is our submissive ally, we can let him declare war on Gaia whenever we want. Safe too.

The Hive... At war with the Gaians, but at truce with the Corporation, so a possibility for trade I assume. Therefore I was thinking, how about we steal the Hive map at Socialism Tunnels and frame Morgan for it? Yang would then declare war on Morgan. To achieve this goal, we could use the brand new Mercury trannie at GH to transport two 2-MP probes (the elite Crypteia at GH and the commando probe team at MT) to Soc Tunnels. Two probes in case the first probe fails: framing is a risky operation.

Drawback of this would be a delay in a possible land invasion of Terrapeso, but if we can prevent the Corporation from gaining DAP, that's worth it, no?

That leaves the Angels, which will probably easily trade the tech with the Peacekeepers. We'd need to convince them not to trade DAP to either the Gaians or Morganites. Get them on our side in this great war...

How does this action plan sound?

	19-03-2005 04:42									#47
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Between parentheses are the minerals spent on support, and to what total mineral ouput this leads.

Morgan:
minerals: 84 (+35=119)
credits: 191
labs: 62

Sparta:
minerals: 139 (+25=164)
credits: 10
labs: 18.4

Morganite energy output has hardly increased, thanks to Lal's declaration of war. Their mineral output has risen with five.

Our story is one of stagnation. Our energy output has decreased, and our mineral output only increased with two.

	24-03-2005 20:45									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Modo44 What are the chances of the probe action (framing Morgan) succeeding?

For an elite Crypteia the chances of success given are "75%, 67%". For a commando probe team "67%, 60%". After some testing, I think these numbers have to interpreted like this: The chance for succesfully stealing the Hive map is 75% for elite and 67% for commando, and the chance for succesfully framing Morgan is for elite 67% of those 75%, and for commando 60% of those 67%. This means the chance a probe would be completely succesful is 50% for elite and 40% for commando. Taken together, using probes this would mean a 70% chance for success. Is that worth trying or not?

In the simulator Morgan and Yang stayed at truce though even after I succesfully framed Morgan. This may be because I was testing it with the simulator, which is a save heavily edited with the scenario editor. No reliable real in-game conditions at all in other words.
I remember succesfully using framing in the past though in single player games. But that was years ago. So to be sure, can anyone confirm they have been able to succesfully frame another faction, with a declaration of Vendetta as a consequence?

	25-03-2005 03:29									#49
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What about asassinating prominent researchers? Yang, and the rest of the world, would get Doc:Air slightly later. Could we still frame Morgan?

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	25-03-2005 23:53									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Snoddasmannen And on a personal note - I got the job at Opera! Thank you Junta members for your support and good karma

So, can you access Poly at work?

quote: What about asassinating prominent researchers? Yang, and the rest of the world, would get Doc:Air slightly later. Could we still frame Morgan?

To assassinate researchers our probes would have to reach their HQ The Hive. Little chance they'd get there alive.

Btw, could anyone please confirm if framing überhaupt works?? I've done some further testing, and it doesn't seem to have any effect contrary to what I remember. Is there something wrong with my SMAC install, or this some general problem?

Another option could perhaps be to ask the Angels to ask the Hive to declare war on Morgan?

	25-03-2005 23:56									#51
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Oh yeah, I almost forgot the reason I opened this thread.

Here's a screenie of a UN base showing that Morganic Gator about to infiltrate the PKs last year.

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	26-03-2005 00:01									#52
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And here's a screenie of Red Fungus Resort this year, showing that Gator teleported back home after completing its mission.

This begs the question, as the reason I suggested a change of course was that Gator being up north there somewhere, do we still want to send the SCV Disco Volante up north, or continue with IIRC was the original plan: explore the Angel south coast?

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	26-03-2005 00:34									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Maniac So, can you access Poly at work?

Well, I think they have internet access, I just hope they have a browser

quote: To assassinate researchers our probes would have to reach their HQ The Hive. Little chance they'd get there alive.

Oh, I had no idea about that.

quote: Btw, could anyone please confirm if framing überhaupt works?? I've done some further testing, and it doesn't seem to have any effect contrary to what I remember. Is there something wrong with my SMAC install, or this some general problem?

I have only heard that it works, don't know how to test it even (never had any PBEM experience).

quote: Another option could perhaps be to ask the Angels to ask the Hive to declare war on Morgan?

Yes, the Angel avenue needs to be explored further

	26-03-2005 00:38									#54
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By the way, it seems we can move the Crypteia from Tegea Harbor to the PK base (asking it to auto-route there suggests that it only takes 2 mp, so I guess there's a road we can't see). That way we can protect that against infiltration. Also, we could bring down the (damaged B-4) and maybe be able to strike that gator next turn.

	26-03-2005 01:08									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Snoddasmannen By the way, it seems we can move the Crypteia from Tegea Harbor to the PK base (asking it to auto-route there suggests that it only takes 2 mp, so I guess there's a road we can't see). That way we can protect that against infiltration. Also, we could bring down the (damaged B-4) and maybe be able to strike that gator next turn.

Great idea but unfortunately it won't work anymore. See three posts up: the Gator is back in Morganic territory.

	26-03-2005 01:14									#56
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Ohh, dang. I misunderstood the timeline completely!

	27-03-2005 02:57									#57
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MY 2164 Ecostats (if I didn't miscount at least )

Morgan:
minerals: 101 (+30=131)
credits: 254
labs: 3

Sparta:
minerals: 147 (+30=177)
credits: 0
labs: 33.6


And here's the powergraph. The Angels are catching up with the Corporation.

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	27-03-2005 03:18									#58
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Am I the only one who thinks we desperately need that Worm-cash project working ASAP?

	27-03-2005 03:36									#59
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No. I fully agree with you!

Rolling Thunder at the Great Fungal Wall had too many success, and killed two worms, forcing Rynn to retreat to Minas Tirith for repairs.

As for Arcadia, now we have the non-lethal methods ability, we have a unit free that can start worm-hunting. However it will still take a while before it takes effect... To speed things up, may I suggest building one or two police units in Arcadia? Besides making an extra unit free for worm hunting, it will free up Raoul's Rangers and Skanky's Sileni to be sent to Terrapeso in the future. Now they're bound by garrison duty.

	27-03-2005 03:53									#60
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Ahh, I see we are hunting already. As to the new Non-Lethal ability and the "free" units - why not make more of them walk on Fungus? They could take longer routes where speed is not the issue (I know that is rare, but it does happen, right?), adding a small chance for Worms. The idea is to get one or two captured, at which point we can stop using built units for this.