27-12-2004 22:35									#151
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This is fscking terrible.

When I see it on TV I want to buy a plane ticket and fly out to help somehow.

I don't know if I'll be useful, but I bet I can organize administrative stuff, and perhaps carry stuff or something.

	27-12-2004 23:43									#152
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Some islands with a total of 30 000 inhabitants close to the epicentre have simply got off the map.

2000 Swedish tourists are missing.

	28-12-2004 03:35									#153
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quote: Originally posted by Chemical Ollie Some islands with a total of 30 000 inhabitants close to the epicentre have simply got off the map.

Heard that too

There are so far no contacts with these islands, so the precise situation is completely unknown.

Last time I heard, there were like 25,000 dead, and even more disappeared people.

	28-12-2004 04:02									#154
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Had not been mentioned yet, yet it was what, last year?

It was exactly a year before this one, Dec 26 2003...

BTW, I heard on the news that these tsunamis had a speed of over 400mph when they hit shore. How can anyone survive a 30 ft wall of water with that speed?

	28-12-2004 04:05									#155
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Some of the stories are horrible.


A Belgian couple were on holiday in Thailand, and their 11 month old baby, Matan, was washed away with the tide...

I intended to post his picture but decided against it.

There are so so many...


Posting just one story would somehow ignore the rest.

	28-12-2004 05:14									#156
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what seems strange to me is that 1964 quake didn't kill more people. It was bigger.

It only killed a few people in California, Oregon, and Alaska.

	28-12-2004 06:24									#157
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quote: Originally posted by Hueij It was exactly a year before this one, Dec 26 2003... BTW, I heard on the news that these tsunamis had a speed of over 400mph when they hit shore. How can anyone survive a 30 ft wall of water with that speed?

divine intervention.

	28-12-2004 06:27									#158
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quote: Originally posted by Hueij It was exactly a year before this one, Dec 26 2003... BTW, I heard on the news that these tsunamis had a speed of over 400mph when they hit shore. How can anyone survive a 30 ft wall of water with that speed?

they don't.

I suspect most of the survivors weren't out in the open, but inside structures, and then were swept out to sea in the backwash.

On the news I heard it took 20 minutes of swimming to get back to shore.

Those that survived had the endurance to swim that long.

	28-12-2004 06:40									#159
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possible 42,000 deaths now!

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041228/D878B53O0.html

	28-12-2004 07:47									#160
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Quake May Have Altered Earth's Rotation // May have shortened the day by 3 microseconds, said gravity expert Richard Gross of Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena... On premise a slab slid into core, Gross said he's done calculations 'to see what effect this (earthquake) should have had.' The result: A day shortened... 'We won't know for weeks,' said a geophysicist at Massachusetts Institute of Technology. 'So it's a guess, as of now'...

from drudge

	28-12-2004 07:58									#161
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quote: Originally posted by Zkribbler I can understand why tsunamis are big, but can anyonne explain to me why there are so blasted fast?? They move at the speed of a commercial jet liner!!

v = f*lamda

v - velocity
f - frequency
lamda - wavelength

Since tunami waves can have wavelengths up to several hundred miles , they can go blazingly fast.

	28-12-2004 08:41									#162
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quote: Originally posted by Hueij It was exactly a year before this one, Dec 26 2003... BTW, I heard on the news that these tsunamis had a speed of over 400mph when they hit shore. How can anyone survive a 30 ft wall of water with that speed?

oh I forgot. Another reason they survive is because the wave isn't travelling that fast when it hits land.

It slows down. This is the reason why it gets so high- as that energy has to go somewhere.

	28-12-2004 08:44									#163
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and the U.N. is already calling the U.S. stingy about its relief efforts.

	28-12-2004 08:53									#164
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The earth is a terrorist.



Let's bomb the ocean floor.

	28-12-2004 08:57									#165
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident and the U.N. is already calling the U.S. stingy about its relief efforts.

Compared to the Aussies and the EU, no doubt.

	28-12-2004 09:05									#166
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident and the U.N. is already calling the U.S. stingy about its relief efforts.

"Here, take $400,000. I'm sure it'll be more than enough for you to pay for whatever damanges occured in Eendunkneejuh. Whereever that is. "

	28-12-2004 09:07									#167
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I'll never forgive Bush for this. This could've been prevented, if only Kerry had been elected...

	28-12-2004 09:15									#168
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Compared to the Aussies and the EU, no doubt.

but we have a bigger national debt .

	28-12-2004 09:16									#169
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar "Here, take $400,000. I'm sure it'll be more than enough for you to pay for whatever damanges occured in Eendunkneejuh. Whereever that is. "

I believe it was 40 million. that's still a drop in the bucket.

We'd have to send 20 billion or so to cover all this.

	28-12-2004 09:18									#170
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident We'd have to send 20 billion or so to cover all this.

And that'd mean what, a dozen less planes for the military?

	28-12-2004 09:20									#171
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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd And that'd mean what, a dozen less planes for the military?

a dozen?

you have no clue how much money the U.S. has do you? Or how much planes cost.

how is it our obligation to send a majority of the money?

	28-12-2004 09:22									#172
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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd And that'd mean what, a dozen less planes for the military?

quote: how is it our obligation to send a majority of the money?

I'm really hoping this is a joke.

	28-12-2004 09:24									#173
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar quote: how is it our obligation to send a majority of the money? I'm really hoping this is a joke.

you're right, we should send them nothing. that's what charities are for.

we have schools falling apart and children starving in the streets in the U.S. Surely the money should be spent there.

	28-12-2004 09:27									#174
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident you're right, we should send them nothing. that's what charities are for. we have schools falling apart and children starving in the streets in the U.S. Surely the money should be spent there.

How about taking some of that 11 trillion you get and spending it on both?

	28-12-2004 09:32									#175
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quote: Originally posted by Sirotnikov When I see it on TV I want to buy a plane ticket and fly out to help somehow. I don't know if I'll be useful, but I bet I can organize administrative stuff, and perhaps carry stuff or something.

Virtuous impulse; but not a good idea. They have tons of people there already and don't need anymore mouths to feed.

What they need are things like food, medicine, blankets, tents, drinking water and clothes. Contact your local international charities and find out how you can help collect and ship these things.

	28-12-2004 10:07									#176
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quote: I can understand why tsunamis are big, but can anyonne explain to me why there are so blasted fast?? They move at the speed of a commercial jet liner!!

The water, on a geological or planetary scale, isn't moving, energy is moving. Its like snapping a rubber band. Water merely slows the shockwaves more than rock, and when you think of how massive the amount of water being pushed is and the energy of the snap, its rather amazing how little "sloshing" there is. That's how I think of it anyway...

The NYT article said the Indian plate to the west and south is moving in a NE direction and sliding under the much smaller Burma plate. This friction is why Sumatra and those islands exist, unfortunately there can be a hefty price living along the rim of fire. But it was interesting to see how this very large quake may have triggered another large quake far to the north at the end of the Burma plate. I've long suspected some seismic events were related.

	28-12-2004 10:09									#177
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Had not been mentioned yet, yet it was what, last year?

Was mentioned, but not by the name "Bam"...

	28-12-2004 10:11									#178
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger v = f*lamda v - velocity f - frequency lamda - wavelength Since tunami waves can have wavelengths up to several hundred miles , they can go blazingly fast.

This is a ridiculous explanation.

	28-12-2004 11:31									#179
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I don't suppose theres a casualty list or anysuch released for the Andaman and Nicobar Islands....
I have relatives who were vacationing there...My other relatives who permanently live in India are avoiding my phonecalls and become cold at the mention of this subject....Normally they can't stop calling me and talking with me, but....
And casualty estimates are varying wildly...3000 to 30000...Some of the islands are underwater, the airport is destroyed, the airforce base has sustained major damagen...

I'm fearing that there is an alarmingly high chance that they could be dead

	28-12-2004 11:35									#180
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Yes, common sense would have the frequency decrease inversely with the wavelength, and the velocity hold constant.

(Obviously that's not true.)