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The "Estonia" ship disaster ten years ago was the worst civilian catastrophy in the history of Sweden. You have to go back to the Napoleonic Wars to find something even close in numbers of Swedish citizens dead on one single day.

But this earthquake could be much worse. 1500 Swedish citizens are still missing in Thailand, and that's only the organised tourists, not counting the freelancing backpackers. There are lots of stories of people who saw their families disappear into the water. The tourist kindergarten was playing on the beach when the first wave hit.

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50,000, the news say now.

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Though it would explain a lot.

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It was exactly a year before this one, Dec 26 2003...

BTW, I heard on the news that these tsunamis had a speed of over 400mph when they hit shore. How can anyone survive a 30 ft wall of water with that speed?


I don't think they are traveling that speed when they hit the shore, much of that energy is used to raise the water up as the wave presses against the sea bed.

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The saddest part is all the little children lost.

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Wow.. Chemical Ollie, so many Swedes missing still? That's a big number.. some of them will turn out fine though, but with that number.. our numbers are way more down, at least 200 missing, but even if it is like 40 dead, you know it's the biggest one for us since the war. We've been fortunate. But of course it doesn't compare to .. the overall at all. But just mentioning.

What a horrible disaster.

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But in this horror moment, there have been many brave rescue attempts, some succesful, some not. It makes me think humans are good after all, putting their lives at risk, not even thinking twice about it to help some stranger in stress in the moment of worst chaos. Stories of people picking up injured stranger and carrying them in their backs or towels or anything they could use to safety, and at that point not knowing if it was in fact safety, in the greatest hurry just stopping and picking someone up. Of course not all were picked up, but some were...

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I'm sorry for all of you with family and friends in the area, I just realised how international this site is.
My Sis was really into scuba diving and she's been to that region several times until a case of the benz ended her hobby.

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Wow.. Chemical Ollie, so many Swedes missing still? That's a big number.. some of them will turn out fine though, but with that number.. our numbers are way more down, at least 200 missing, but even if it is like 40 dead, you know it's the biggest one for us since the war. We've been fortunate. But of course it doesn't compare to .. the overall at all. But just mentioning.

What a horrible disaster.


There are about 20 000 Swedes in Thailand for Christmas holiday. Only 2000 Finns. A large part of the Swedes were living on the beaches that were hit.

The official Swedish body count is at a pathetic 3. But the officials only release numbers on bodies found and identified, and most of the bodies will never be found. They were washed away into the ocean and have already become fish food.

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Same here, we have official numbers at 1 dead. But they know for sure there are more, from the stories of parents or kids etc who saw them going into the sea etc. There is a correlation in numbers though,, you had 20 000 visitors and 2000 is the number they're now looking at to solve.. we had 2000, and 200 is the number we're looking to solve now, so that's .. 10% exactly in both cases.

Some stories are tough, many people have been at the beaches when the waves came, and had to run to upper grounds, grabbing something when teh wave hit, and then continuing to run and again grabbing, climbing into a tree in the meanwhile, running, and with every wave few dropped from the escape.

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PENANG: While thousands of people lost their lives when a tsunami hit the region, a 20-day-old baby survived, thanks to a floating mattress.

When the tsunami hit the popular Miami Beach in Batu Ferringhi here at about 1.15pm, S. Tulasi was sleeping in a room behind her father’s western food outlet along the beach.

“We were all caught off guard when the wave hit us. I was thrown several metres away but managed to hold onto one of the posts but my 12-year-old daughter was swept by the wave,” said A. Suppiah.

Suppiah, 55, said his wife, Annal Mary, 40, braved the strong wave to open the room door to save their baby.

“I thought I had lost both my daughters but thank God the mattress was floating in about 1.5m of water and my baby was crying. My other daughter, Kanchana somehow managed to get to her feet and run to safety,” said Suppiah who injured his right ankle.

Suppiah, who has been running the outlet for the past 10 years, said the wave caused about RM30,000 in losses.

“I don’t know what to do now. My livelihood depends on tourists staying in the hotels around here and daily visitors. I hope the Government will allow me to continue doing business here,” he added.

For ice cream seller, A. Subramaniam, the safety of a few hundred picnickers was his main concern when he saw an unusual wave moving towards Teluk Bahang beach.

“I had never seen such a wave. I knew something was wrong as the wave was dark and as high as a coconut tree,” he said.

Riding a 200kg motorcycle loaded with ice cream, Subramaniam said he rode on the sand and screamed to the picnickers to leave the place.

“But many of them just stood and watched the coming wave. The first wave was not that strong but the second one was very powerful and lasted about five minutes,” he added.

Subramaniam said he managed to prevent a 16-year-old girl from being swept away by the wave.

“Fortunately enough, the people there ran to safety before the second wave came. But when I rushed to Batu Ferringhi, I saw many people being swept by the wave,” he said.

His son, Kugilan, 14, who was selling ice cream in Tanjong Bungah, said he saw several children being swept by the waves.

“Their parents tried to pull them but the waves were very strong,” he said. – Bernama



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A couple of friends of mine were in Khao Lak in Thailand. One of them is still in the hospital down there, the other one is physically unharmed.
That place got annihilated... 700 dead so far.

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But in this horror moment, there have been many brave rescue attempts, some succesful, some not. It makes me think humans are good after all, putting their lives at risk, not even thinking twice about it to help some stranger in stress in the moment of worst chaos. Stories of people picking up injured stranger and carrying them in their backs or towels or anything they could use to safety, and at that point not knowing if it was in fact safety, in the greatest hurry just stopping and picking someone up. Of course not all were picked up, but some were...


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no, they just are when they have nothing better to do

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Gangerolf, glad to hear your buddies are safe

They report now over 45 000 dead and rising..

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Video of the second wave, Phuket, Thailand: http://www.dagbladet.no/download/tsunamiphuket.wmv

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Texted home ... girl diver Amy

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A BRITISH survivor was hit by the killer tsunami while diving 50ft below water.

The force of the monster wave threw Amy Harding and fellow scuba divers halfway up a hillside on the Thai island of Ko Phi Phi.

Amy, 24, raised the alarm with her family in the UK by sending them TEXT messages on her mobile phone.

But for more than a day she was frantic with worry about boyfriend Evya, who had disappeared.

Yesterday she was finally rescued from the hillside — and discovered that Israeli Evya was safe and well.

Diving instructor Amy, from Neston on the Wirral, Cheshire, was taking a group on a regular dive when they were churned up in the massive current and washed up the hillside.

They managed to scramble on to a hotel roof where they waited for help, surrounded by water.

Brother Mike, 27, received her first text, sent at 2.10pm local time on Sunday. The trainee accountant was spending Christmas at home with their parents Frank, 78, and Elisabeth, 62.

The text read: “Island hit by tidal wave. Am OK. Was diving. Caught in major current, part of island destroyed. Not seen Evya. Sat on a hotel roof with ocean either side. Am OK though. x”

Mike said: “I phoned her back straight away. She was very shaken.”

In a second message sent at 5.17pm local time Amy said: “Think we’ll stay up here overnight and get bitten to death instead. So worried about Evya.

"At least I’m safe here. Love you all.”

In a third message, at 10.50pm, Amy said: “I’m so worried, so scared. Here till daylight and then risk going down. I’m so worried about Evya.”

Yesterday Amy was rescued by Thai emergency teams and taken to a hotel.

Mike said: “She was crying and desperately searching for Evya. Then she spotted him helping survivors — she was absolutely ecstatic.”

Mum Elisabeth said: “Amy just told me she was safe, well and very tired. I burst into tears.”

Andrew Oliver, 38, and partner Louise, 37, from Bournemouth, were due to go diving off Thailand but had to cancel because the boat was full.

Many who took the trip are missing feared dead.

British nurse Karen Goh almost drowned in Thailand — then immediately began helping other victims.

Karen, 38, from Wolverhampton, and Malaysian hubby Cheh were swamped on the beach in Patong, Phuket. She said: “It was like being in a washing machine.

“People had stomachs broken open, limbs smashed. I’d injured my foot but tried to staunch their wounds.

“Eventually I moved to a higher building — and found my husband.”

Brenda Castle, 61, from North London, was trapped in a hotel basement near the Sri Lankan capital Colombo when the huge wave struck.

Brenda, on holiday at the Tangerine Beach Hotel with husband Jeff, 61, said: “I saw a massive amount of swirling muddy water heading for me. I thought I was going to die.”

Thirty terrified Brits were marooned on a tiny hillock near Hikkaduwa, Sri Lanka yesterday — where 10,200 died — and surrounded by CROCODILES.

The holidaymakers, on a diving trip, fled to the high ground when the first wave hit. But they were left stranded.

Michelle Mills, 36, a marketing manager from Bromsgrove, Worcs, is there with partner Stewart Porter, 32.

She used the group’s only mobile to call home saying 28 were badly hurt and three were in life-threatening condition.

Her brother, policeman Edward Mills, 37, said: “They are trapped on a tiny patch of ground while the floods rage past, carrying bodies and debris. And now the crocs are there too.

"My sister sounded absolutely terrified — and so am I, for her safety.”

T. Velumyli, 59, a Sri Lankan from Richmond, Surrey, said: “My cousin clung to a floating tree while his wife was swept to her death at Batticaloa.

“He buried her with his hands then found the body of his nine-month-old baby who had been swept 50 miles away.

"This is what hell must be like.”

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John ... knocked through building


BRITON John Regan lies wounded in a hospital bed in Phuket last night — after telling how he was standing on a beach when the killer wave hit land.

John, who was in Thailand with girlfriend Rita Medve, said: “The sea started to go out at high speed. I saw on the horizon a huge wave. I said to Rita, ‘It’s not going to stop’. We dashed into a tiny shed at the top of the beach and seconds later the wall crashed in.

“I was knocked through the building on to the ground outside.”

John, of Chelmsford, Essex, climbed a tree to safety.

Teacher Ian Cooper, 32, of Kidderminster, opened his bedroom door to a wall of water. He said: “I was swept off my feet.”

A blond boy of two was in hospital alone after being found on a road.


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Jet-setting supermodel Petra Nemcova survived the terrifying Asian tsunami by clinging to the top of a palm tree for eight hours - wincing through the pain of a broken pelvis and haunted by the sight of her boyfriend being swept out to sea.

"This huge wave just pulled us out of the house," Nemcova, 25, told the Daily News last night from her hospital bed in Thailand. "It was so powerful I couldn't get up. I couldn't get out of it."

"People were screaming and kids were screaming all over the place, screaming, 'Help, help.' And after a few minutes, you didn't hear the kids anymore."

Nemcova and her fashion photographer boyfriend Simon Atlee, 33, were spending the holidays in a beachfront bungalow at the Thai resort of Khao Lak when Sunday's catastrophe struck.

"I heard people screaming and I looked out the window and people were jumping out of the way, jumping into the pool," said Nemcova, who lives in New York and London and was on the cover of Sports Illustrated's 2003 swimsuit issue.

"I was screaming, 'On the roof! On the roof!' I tried to go on the roof but I got sucked away," Nemcova said.

Before she and Atlee could react, a wall of water shredded their wooden bungalow and sent them sprawling into a churning sea of debris that swallowed Atlee without a trace.

She kept her head above the floodwaters and was able to grasp a palm tree before she could be swept out to sea - but had to clutch it for eight hours, watching bodies float past in a scene of unimaginable devastation.

"I just tried to survive and tried to think positive," Nemcova said.

She gripped the tree in excruciating pain under the burning tropical sun until rescuers found her at sunset and carried her to an overwhelmed local hospital on a makeshift stretcher.

"I was so broken, I couldn't walk," Nemcova said. "There were so many people with horrible injuries, with blood everywhere. It was like a war movie."

Nemcova was airlifted to an inland hospital, where doctors found she had a broken pelvis and serious internal injuries.

"There might be pieces of bone stuck to my organs," said Nemcova, who was medicated with morphine but still agonized at her boyfriend's disappearance.

"I can't find Simon," she said. "It was horrible. I'm very lucky, but I can't find Simon."


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This death toll will I think sadly continue to rise- I have heard very little from the maldives- i mean, if they are saying hundreds died in somalia, what happened to the maldives?

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I've been following SkyNews, they seem to have a good reporting from there (better than CNN or BBC), and they seem to be having number up in the 55 000 and rising.. they say indonesia alone has 27 000...

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This death toll will I think sadly continue to rise- I have heard very little from the maldives- i mean, if they are saying hundreds died in somalia, what happened to the maldives?


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I just heard that the island of Sumatra moved 36 cms. after the quake. That's a lot!!

Among the Chilean tourists that are missing there's a young woman, Francisca Cooper that was in Thailand enjoying her first day of honey moon. Her's husband went back to the hotel to search something while she was waiting for him in the beach. According to the guy when he was going out he saw a huge wave that crush against the hotel... now he's in the hospital waiting for any news of his wife.

AFAIK hotels didn't adiviced the tourists about this. Thailand TV was giving some info, but tourists hardly watch tv on vacation and if they do, they watch international networks.

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A freind of my sis (I know her too) seems to be missing in India. But she was supposed to go to Goa, which is on the other coast (she lives on the eastern one, though). I hope it has nothing to do with this mess and that she's OK.

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Attention: New numbers are out, as the Indonesians assess their toll. The Indonesians as I suspected were the ones hardest hit. The entire island of Sumatra moved 100-200 feet because of this.

http://sg.news.yahoo.com/041228/1/3pin6.html

The biggest humanitarian relief operation ever mounted was underway along Asia's devastated shores as the death toll from a massive earthquake and the tidal waves it unleashed was predicted to hit 45,000.

With the scale of the catastrophe still unfolding the confirmed death toll passed 27,000 in nine countries -- but Indonesia warned that it alone could have suffered up to 20,000 more fatalities on top of its official figure of 4,725 deaths.

Indonesia's Vice President Yusuf Kalla, who is in charge of coordinating relief efforts, said he estimated that "21,000 to 25,000 people" had been killed in Sunday's disaster.

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The tidal waves that swept across the Indian Ocean did more than take a heavy toll of lives and property in the Maldives – it confronted the tiny island nation with a threat to its survival.

The archipelago of 1,190 low-lying coral islands, dotted across hundreds of miles of ocean, has for years begged bigger, more powerful nations for action against global warming, fearing higher sea levels could literally make much of its territory disappear.

The speeding walls of water that slammed into 11 nations in Asia and Africa on Sunday, killing tens of thousands of people, marked a brutal demonstration of vulnerability.

“We are the world’s lowest-lying country,” said Mohammed Zahir, one of the country’s leading environmentalists. ”The average height of our islands is three feet.”

At a schoolyard converted into a disaster area on the main island of Male, sobbing people waited today for news of relatives from outlying islands.

At least 52 people were confirmed dead, among them two British tourists, and 66 were listed as missing.

Ahmed Shaheed, the chief government spokesman, expected the figures to rise after authorities make contact with distant atolls.

Although the number of casualties is small compared to huge tallies in Indonesia, Sri Lanka, India and Thailand, they are comparable in proportion to Maldives’ tiny population of 280,000.

“Our nation is in peril here,” Shaheed said. “Life as we know it in this country is in some parts gone. Thailand, Sri Lanka, India – these are big countries with a lot of land area. They can bounce back from disasters like this. For us, it’s not so easy.”

Parliamentary elections scheduled for Friday may have to be postponed, although the government has made no announcement yet.

Shaheed estimated the economic cost of the disaster at hundreds of millions of pounds. The Maldives’s annual gross domestic product is £350 million.

“It won’t be surprising if the cost exceeds our GDP,” Shaheed said. “In the last few years, we made great progress in our standard of living – the United Nations recognised this. Now we see this can disappear in a few days, a few minutes.”

Waves three feet or more high swept completely across many islands. They extended over as much as half of Male, a relatively large island of 0.7 square mile pouring down the narrow, sandy streets and dashing against buildings including the president’s office.

Kandolhudhoo, an island of 3,500 people in the northern atoll of Raa which had spent millions of pounds on land reclamation over the past five years, was “uninhabitable” after being completely covered by water, Assistant Island Chief Mohammed Ali Fulhu said.

Residents were evacuated. Rather than trying to rebuild their island, the people would probably have to start new lives elsewhere, he said.


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There will be thousands more who die from the viruses and bacterii that will no doubt effect most of the Southeast.

My heart goes out to all affected...

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An earthquake that unleashed deadly tidal waves on Asia was so powerful it made the Earth wobble on its axis and permanently altered the regional map, US geophysicists said.

The 9.0-magnitude temblor that struck 250 kilometers (155 miles) southeast of Sumatra island Sunday may have moved small islands as much as 20 meters (66 feet), according to one expert.

"That earthquake has changed the map," US Geological Survey expert Ken Hudnut told AFP.

"Based on seismic modeling, some of the smaller islands off the southwest coast of Sumatra may have moved to the southwest by about 20 meters. That is a lot of slip."

The northwestern tip of the Indonesian territory of Sumatra may also have shifted to the southwest by around 36 meters (120 feet), Hudnut said.

In addition, the energy released as the two sides of the undersea fault slipped against each other made the Earth wobble on its axis, Hudnut said.

"We can detect very slight motions of the Earth and I would expect that the Earth wobbled in its orbit when the earthquake occurred due the massive amount of energy exerted and the sudden shift in mass," Hudnut said.

Another USGS research geophysicist agreed that the Earth would have got a "little jog," and that the islands off Sumatra would have been moved by the quake.

However, Stuart Sipkin, of the USGS National Earthquake Information Center in Golden Colorado, said it was more likely that the islands off Sumatra had risen higher out of the sea than they had moved laterally.

"In in this case, the Indian plate dived below the Burma plate, causing uplift, so most of the motion to the islands would have been vertical, not horizontal."

The tsunamis unleashed by the fourth-biggest earthquake in a century have left at least 23,675 people dead in eight countries across Asia and as far as Somalia in East Africa.

The tsunamis wiped out entire coastal villages and pulled beach-goers out to sea.

The International Red Cross estimated that up to one million people have been displaced by the natural calamity.


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The death toll may reach 60,000.

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash7.htm

The death toll from the Indian Ocean tsunami catastrophe was predicted to climb pass 60,000 last night as the worst-hit nations struggled to deal with their dead and survivors, including at least a million people left homeless.

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I just heard that the island of Sumatra moved 36 cms. after the quake. That's a lot!!

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That would be meters, I think.

 
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