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Christ, this is terrible.

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Japan's buildings are built to withstand earthquakes, aren't they? What would've happened if this had hit Japan?

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If 30 foot tidal waves hit Japan?

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No, if the epicenter was in Japan.

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Japan's buildings are built to withstand earthquakes, aren't they? What would've happened if this had hit Japan?


most of the buildings would be fine I would imagine. Though I'm not sure if they can withstand 9.0 earthquakes. I'm not sure what they design them for. And most of that applies to the high rises (although most of the population probably resides in high rises in the cities). But in the towns individual homes would be devastated.

Either way, the tsunami would **** some **** up. The buildings probably would withstand it. But that wouldn't help people on the beaches or standing outside.

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By Michael Dobbs
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Monday, December 27, 2004; Page A01

WELIGAMA, Sri Lanka, Dec. 26 -- Disaster struck with no warning out of a faultlessly clear blue sky.

I was taking my morning swim around the island that my brother Geoffrey, a businessman, had bought on a whim a decade ago and turned into a tropical paradise 200 yards from one of the world's most beautiful beaches.

People look at debris in Madras, India, one of several areas hit by a massive tidal waves that slammed into several countries in Southeast Asia on Sunday. (AP)

I was a quarter way around the island when I heard my brother shouting at me, "Come back! Come back! There's something strange happening with the sea." He was swimming behind me, but closer to the shore.

I couldn't understand what the fuss was about. All seemed peaceful. There was barely a ripple in the sea. My brother's house rests on a rock 60 feet above the level of the sea.

Then I noticed that the water around me was rising, climbing up the rock walls of the island with astonishing speed. The vast circle of golden sand around Weligama Bay was disappearing rapidly, and the water had reached the level of the coastal road, fringed with palm trees.

As I swam to shore, my mind was momentarily befuddled by two conflicting impressions -- the idyllic blue sky and the rapidly rising waters.

In less than a minute, the water level had risen at least 15 feet, but the sea remained calm, with barely a wave in sight.

Within minutes, the beach and the area behind it had become an inland sea that rushed over the road and poured into the flimsy houses on the other side. The speed with which it all happened seemed like a scene from the Bible, a natural phenomenon unlike anything I had experienced.

As the waters rose at an incredible rate, I half expected to catch sight of Noah's Ark.

Instead of the ark, I grabbed a wooden catamaran that the local people used as a fishing boat. My brother jumped on the boat next to me. We bobbed up and down on the catamaran as the water rushed past us into the village beyond the road.

After a few minutes, the water stopped rising, and I felt it was safe to swim to the shore. What I did not realize was that the floodwaters would recede as quickly and dramatically as they had risen.

All of a sudden, I found myself being swept out to sea with startling speed. Although I am a fairly strong swimmer, I was unable to withstand the current. The fishing boats around me had been torn from their moorings, and were bobbing up and down furiously.

For the first time, I felt afraid, powerless to prevent myself from being washed out to sea.

I swam in the direction of a loose catamaran, grabbed the hull and pulled myself to safety. My weight must have slowed the boat down, and soon I was stranded on the sand.

As the water rushed out of the bay, I scrambled onto the main road. Screams were coming from the houses beyond the road, many of which were still half full of water that had trapped the inhabitants inside. Villagers were walking, stunned, along the road, unable to comprehend what had taken place.

I was worried about my wife, who was on the beach when I went for my swim. I eventually found her walking along the road, dazed but happy to be alive. She had been trying to wade back to our island when the water carried her across the road and into someone's back yard. At one point she was underwater, struggling for breath. She finally grabbed onto a rope and climbed into a tree, escaping the waters that raged beneath her.

Our children were still asleep when the tsunami struck at 9:15. They woke up to find the bay practically drained of water and their parents walking back across the narrow channel to safety.

The waves raged around the island for the rest of the day, alternately rising and receding.

It took us many hours to realize the scale of the disaster, because we could see only the tiny part in front of us. The road from Weligama to Galle was cut in many places. The coastal road was littered with carcasses of boats, dogs and even a few dead sharks. Helicopters flew overhead and loudspeaker vans warned residents to leave low-lying areas for fear of more tsunamis.

My brothers' little island, called Tapbrobane after the ancient name of Sri Lanka, was largely intact, although a piece of our gate ended up on the seashore half a mile away. The water rose about 20 feet toward the house.

We have no water and no electricity and are cut off from the rest of Sri Lanka. It is impossible to buy food. We are existing on cold ham and turkey sandwiches, leftovers from Christmas dinner.

The holiday that we planned and dreamed about for many months is in ruins. We feel fortunate -- fortunate to be alive.

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I'm reading an article right now about lost fisherman.

I always wondered how a boat or ship would handle a tsunami. I spent a lot of time at sea, sometimes I would think of such things. But most of my time was in the Atlantic. Which is seismically peaceful I believe. I spent very little time in the Indian ocean area- only while traversing the red sea to the persian/arabian gulf.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiap....india.toll.ap/

I would expect most of the fisherman are dead. If not all of them. But I'm curious if there were any naval vessels in the area. Specifically U.S. naval vessels- as they (west coast based ships) have to traverse the area to reach the persian gulf.

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and Lonestar was heading that way towards the persian gulf I believe.

But he was in Hawaii just a few days ago, not enough time for him to get past the Singapore area. And they might not be going directly for the gulf.

U.S. navy ships might fare alright during such an event. I'm not sure.

I'm just curious how the larger ships in the region fared.

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in Sri lanka, over a million wounded and displaced, IIHC.


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and my brother is on a drilling ship north of Brunei

ships are safe, AFAIK. a tsunami is barely noticed in mid-ocean.


is this true?

I spent years on the ocean, but don't know this .

This is what I was wondering above.

But rogue waves which are different than tsunamis can occur and even sink supertankers.

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I think Tsumanis really do their worse when they break in rapidly decreasing water depth. The water has no place to go but up and over. Out in the ocean the energy of the wave is dispersed and probably is only a giant swell, something that many ocean going vessels can easily survive.

Rogue waves only really happen in shallow bodies of water, such as the Great Lakes. They are usually caused by high winds. A rogue wave sunk the Edmund Fitzgerald, a very large ore freighter.

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Am I the only one who finds it a little strange that the (western?) media always cover these stories with headlines that include how many nationals died? (e.g. "Earthquake kills 11,000, including X Americans/Canadians" ) I think it is disrespectful.


CNN.com isn't doing that (that I can see).

CNN

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Japan's buildings are built to withstand earthquakes, aren't they? What would've happened if this had hit Japan?


Normal residental houses in Japan aren't quake resistant, they are designed to collapse nicely without killing people. Only high rises are built to withstand quakes. IIRC, that is.

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is this true?

I spent years on the ocean, but don't know this .

This is what I was wondering above.

But rogue waves which are different than tsunamis can occur and even sink supertankers.


That's true. Tunami waves are very, very long waves out in the ocean, hence they can travel a huge distance. You don't feel it if you are out there. When it goes near a shore, the sea bottom rises up. As water is almost incompressible the waves themselves will rise rapidly, creating huge walls of water.

A tunami is even more devestating if it goes into a bay, because the energy is funnelled towards a narrow front.

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I've never heard of the place before... just how can you guys over here remember the exact location of every single place around the globe?


When I was a little kid I wanted to grow up to be a vulcanologist. Sadly, I'm asthmatic, and cannot go anywhere near an active or dormant volcano because the gasses will affect me worse than others. Kraaktoa is a famous vacano whose erruption in the 19th Century killed more than 10,000 people with tsunamis. This one is worse.

Krakatoa explodes catastropically every 150 years or so, and is believed to be responsible for both the world wide economic collapse in 530AD and the Black Death. It's more massive explosions put massive quantities of dust in the air, which cools off the planet and disrupts both crop production and lowers the temperature to the point where the plague bacillus begins to block the gut of the flea, which then gorges itself on rat blood, which passes the disease on to the rat, which kills the rat, sending the flea in seach of new sources of blood, us. We're due for another major explosion in about thirty years.

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Maybe that will counter all the global warming we are having lately.

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Definately a possibility.

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Glad your gf is ok. Hope your other friends are ok.


Thanks.

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Japan's buildings are built to withstand earthquakes, aren't they? What would've happened if this had hit Japan?


A 7.2 leveled Kobe in 1995 and killed 6,000 people. What do you think an 8.9 would do? I'm not sure any building can resist that...

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This is bad. This is really bad.

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For those (like me) that needed a map to visualize exactly where everything was in relation.

note: please address all map issues to CNN.


Slightly different map from the BBC

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minimum 15,500 people dead.... probably will rise a whole lot more, I guess.

About local news sources pointing out to whatever nationals, I think it's natural, since some people would like to know as much as possible about the situation of their relatives travelling there. ( Some 500 Israelis are missing now, btw )

germanos: so the epicenter was inland?

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germanos: so the epicenter was inland?


The BBC report says 100 km west of Bandar Aceh, but the map indeed is a bit off.
Not that far of as the CNN map, who had it of the coast of Jakarta

IIRC, there is still hardly any news from Aceh province itself, as it has been blocked off from reporters since the civil war there went full throttle (again) about a year ago. So maybe it was inland? I'm not sure how accurate one can point to the source from a distance.

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--- Really, who cares? Do you think you really even remember this accident after a year? ---


You still remember 9/11 don't you? And this Tsunami event was at least five times worse.

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800 Swedish tourists unaccounted for, in Thailand alone. Most of them probably just lost their phone in the water or something, but at least 20 are confirmed dead.

>20 000 and counting. 11 000 on Sri Lanka alone.

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If you see this, RUN !!!!

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The death toll is now 19,930.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...esia_earthquake

Edit: It could be far past 22,000 now... because one police chief for one region reported losses in his area:

"On the remote Car Nicobar island south of India, Police Chief S.B. Deol told New Delhi Television he had reports "that maybe 3,000 people are dead." If confirmed, that would raise the death toll past 22,900."

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Am I the only one who finds it a little strange that the (western?) media always cover these stories with headlines that include how many nationals died? (e.g. "Earthquake kills 11,000, including X Americans/Canadians" ) I think it is disrespectful.


Actually we tend to do this less than a lot of countries around the world. Japan is one of the worst for it.

Three Japanese citizens had their beers spilled in an earthquake centered in Western China. Over 17 billion yen worth of damage was done to Japanese investors. It is estimated that 10,000 Chinese citizens were killed in the quake as well. Live on location we have one of the Japanese whose beer spilled during the quake...

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Ohh I knew this was bad bad bad but it's getting worse all the time... oh man... Phuket was also very popular tourist attraction for us, especially on Christmas but Finns have been pretty fortunate always with these shitty deals so.. there are unaccounted people but most have survived so far...... but always someone goes with these things, plus it doesn't really matter the nationality, this is a huge tragedy and could be growing..

and they aren't even counting the ones dying because of injuries yet I bet.

Do they know how many people overall are unaccounted for? Do they have any figures?

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They probably won't know that for weeks. When a disaster is this big, the people who would normally report a person missing are often dead or missing themselves.

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Doomsayers are predicting eastern Africa is next



Tsunamis have hit Somalia -- nine dead so far.

 
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