19-01-2005 18:50									#211
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I said people, that is plural.

Although, I must say that your little angry smiley does suggest that you may intend to play unfairly in the next NES, should the stats arrive.

	20-01-2005 06:51									#212
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So, I'm thinking of taking up the job of stats, becasue I'm felling just a tad impatient.

Does anybody object, or really want to do stats? Remeber you have to be fair, and somewhat realistic*.


I know that sounds silly coming from me, but when it is a part of the game as crucial as statistics, you can't just ask an eightball what the numbers should be.

	20-01-2005 06:54									#213
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I'm not up for that much right now. If Bipolar wants to work with Icarus on this, I'm all for it.

	20-01-2005 08:02									#214
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He's kind of disappeared, and the stats were due Monday. This the one problem with the whole interent thing, is that people can't always meet deadlines, b/c of prior commitments, or power outages, sickness, girl problems, the good stuff that leads up to girl problems, you know how it goes.

Does anybody have any ideas on what we could do to speed up the whole stats "thing"?

I was thinking we could post ballpark numbers. Like between, x and y.

	20-01-2005 08:07									#215
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quote: Originally posted by bipolarbear I was thinking we could post ballpark numbers. Like between, x and y.

Uh, there's nothing between x and y.

	20-01-2005 08:15									#216
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Ostrogoths

Army: unconquerable
Navy: Indomitable
Economy: uncountable
Culture: mind-boggling

Icarus, feel free to nudge these a little for balance.

	20-01-2005 08:56									#217
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Visigoths
Army: Pwnzorz
Navy: OMG tehy sunk taht navy whit one ship but tehy have thousands!
Economy: 99% of worlds GDP, 99999999999999% growth rate
Culture: Universal, everyone celebrates all that is Visigothic

I think I downplayed em...

	20-01-2005 12:52									#218
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Huns
Army: w00t! Uber cool, uber fast, uber silent, UBER strong, uber 10x better than yours.

Navy: Useless when you're landlocked!
Economy: better than yours times infinity plus infinity to the infinity power forever!!!
secret police: So secret we can't even post ratings!!!
Tech level: Outta space baby!!!!!!
Culture: makes yours look like Visigothic rednexorz!!!

	20-01-2005 19:02									#219
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Cool we got stats. Now lets post some orders.

	20-01-2005 23:43									#220
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quote: Originally posted by Lord Nuclear We should contact Micha to join as well.

Well, thanks
(But then, I had to find this thread on my very own... )

quote: I have one question, though. What is the most efficient way of going about editing the maps? Or, if it's easier, I could mod, and I could just get someone to make the edits for me.

You need Photoshop to be able to efficiently work with the map. While I´ve also tried other programs, Photoshop seems to be the best for this task.

You keep the map (as it is now) as the background layer and then have a new layer for borders, one for armies, one for cities, one for Text and so on. This way you can simply drag and drop armies instead of erasing them, repainting the map behind their old position and then redrawing the army at the new spot... Same goes for text and especially for changing borders!

	21-01-2005 06:47									#221
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Most of us already have, but that doesn't mean we should drop this one. There's no reason not to have two at once.

	21-01-2005 08:30									#222
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Tass, I didn't even know you were playing the other game. You post here to brag about the other game more than you post in the other game.

	21-01-2005 10:48									#223
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Yes, he's a Stalinist.

	22-01-2005 10:19									#224
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You guys don’t deserve stats. Instead you get epic poetry.


There once was a man named foolish, who volunteered for many a task
Good natured and industrious, he’d do anything one could ask
Unfortunately for all, he tended to stall, and for orders that were tall, he couldn’t keep his eye on the ball
In the case of some particular stats, it was hard to find facts, other burdens were growing quite fast,
And the deadlines came and passed
It was quite a pain in the ass.
In typical fashion, he let it slide
Other NESers
stomped their feet and cried
Bipolarbear came storming for poor foolish’s hide
While Lord N’s eyes devilishly gleamed
Alas, the Attila Freeman Alliance was nowhere to be seen
Empires of strength grew under wise guidance of 89, 64, and bp,
Things were shaping up quite nicely, they all agreed
But something was missing, lacking, without;
‘Tis just not a game w’out Tass’s gnashing and shouts
All was in chaos! ruins! and death!
Sad girls were crying
Kittens were dying
Pigs were flying
One could even hear (in another universe, ‘tis true)
Deus Micha the Mighty sputter, thunder, and turn blue
(that’s what photoshop will do to you)
But of course it all ends happily,
It must, by custom and law
No one doubted the winter of delay would come to a suitable thaw
So gather round, noble friends, quench your thirst, doff your hats
Be thankful I gave you
This verse and that
Because I sat down and wrote this
Instead of the stats.












[number, cost, support]

Heavy Cavalry- Lances and swords and armor [1000, 12, 6]
Horse Archers- medium armor, effective bowmen. [1000, 10, 6]
Medium Cavalry- short spears or swords [1000, 8, 4]
Archers- ranked bowmen [1000, 6, 3]
Light infantry- sword, spear, axe, small or no shield. [2000, 7, 3]
Heavy infantry- ranked with spear or sword, interlocked shield formation [2000, 9, 4]
Ranged auxiliaries- slings, pilae, other projectiles [1000, 5, 2]
Siege Weapon [10, 8, 1]
Scorpion [25, 4, 1]
Warship [1, 5, 1]
Escort [1, 3, 1]

Specials:
It’s not just the prices that are different, they each have special fighting styles and strengths and weaknesses befitting their composition, what nation they are fighting fore, the terrain, etc. How much of a unique effect they will have depends on Nuclear.
Barbarian infantry (replaces light infantry) [1000, 3, 1] Franks, Saxons, Turingi
Eastern Legionary (replaces heavy infantry) [2000, 10, 4] Byzantines
Steppe Horsebowmen (replaces horse archers) [1000, 13, 1] Huns
Sassanid Cavalry (replaces medium cavalry) [1000, 6, 4] Sassanids
Western Warrior (replaces heavy infantry) [2000, 10, 3] Ostrogoths, Maurorum
Western Knight (replaces heavy cavalry) [1000, 14, 6] Visigoths, Vandals
Longboat (replaces escort) [1, 2, 1] Danes
Warband (replaces auxiliaries) [1000, 4, 2] Britons, Angles, Langobards, Gepidorum
Provincial Guard (replaces archers) [1000, 5, 3] Burgundy, Vasconia, Sveborum


Franks
Ruler: Jonny
Economy
Income: 135 gold/turn
Support: -95 gold/turn
Surplus Funds: 40 gold/turn
treasury: 40 gold
Army
Military Effectiveness: Good (65%)
5,000 medium cavalry [-20]
5,000 Archers [-15]
36,000 Barbarian infantry [-36]
2,000 Heavy infantry [-4]
5,000 Auxiliaries [-10]
Navy
10 Escorts [-10]
Notes
Empire Rating: Stable
Discontent: minimal (10%)
Secret Police: Adequate

Britons
Ruler: Pave
Economy
Income: 113/turn
Support: -83/turn
Surplus Funds: 30/turn
treasury: 36
Army
Military Effectiveness: fair (60%)
500 Medium Cavalry [-2]
4,000 Archers [-12]
12,000 Light Infantry [-18]
2,000 Heavy Infantry [-4]
16,000 Warband [-32]
50 Scorpions [-2]
- Navy
8 Warships [-8]
5 Escorts [-5]
Notes
Empire Rating: Stable
Discontent: minimal (14%)
Secret Police: Adequate

Isle Saxons
Ruler:
Economy
Income: 103 /turn
Support: -58/turn
Surplus Funds: 45/turn
treasury: 52
Army
Military Effectiveness: good (65%)
2,000 Medium Cavalry [-8]
3,000 Archers [-9]
22,000 Barbarian infantry [-22]
2,000 heavy infantry [-4]
3,000 auxiliaries [-6]
10 Siege Weapons [-1]
- Navy
4 Warships [-4]
4 Escorts [-4]
Notes
Empire Rating: Loose
Discontent: okay (20%)
Secret Police: Adequate


Isle Angles
Ruler:
Economy
Income: 110/turn
Support: -84/turn
Surplus Funds: 26/turn
treasury: 29
Army
Military Effectiveness: okay (55%)
1,000 Heavy Cavalry [-6]
1,000 Medium Cavalry [-4]
3,000 Archers [-9]
16,000 Light Infantry [-24]
3,000 Heavy Infantry [-6]
12,000 Warband [-24]
- Navy
4 Warships [-4]
7 Escorts [-7]
Notes
Empire Rating: Stable
Discontent: small (18%)
Secret Police: Adequate



Danes
Ruler: General Ludd
Economy
Income: 86/turn
Support: -60/turn
Surplus Funds: 26/turn
treasury: 28
Army
Military Effectiveness: Good (68%)
1,000 medium Cavalry [-4]
2,000 archers [-6]
16,000 light infantry [-24]
3,000 auxiliaries [-6]
- Navy
20 Longboats [-20]
Notes
Empire Rating: Stable
Discontent: some (30%)
Secret Police: Adequate


Turingi
Ruler:
Economy
Income: 100/turn
Support: -69/turn
Surplus Funds: 31/turn
treasury: 31
Army
Military Effectiveness: okay (58%)
2,500 Heavy Cavalry [-15]
3,000 Medium Cavalry [-12]
1,000 Archers [-3]
25,000 Barbarian Infantry [-25]
7,000 Auxiliaries [-14]
- Navy
none
Notes
Empire Rating: Stable
Discontent: okay (23%)
Secret Police: Adequate


Langobards
Ruler:
Economy
Income: 78/turn
Support: -61/turn
Surplus Funds: 17/turn
treasury:
Army
Military Effectiveness: average (50%)
1,000 Heavy Cavalry [-6]
3,000 Horse Archers [-18]
1,000 Medium Cavalry [-4]
2,000 Archers [-6]
10,000 Light Infantry [-15]
2,000 Heavy Infantry [-4]
4,000 Warband [-8]
- Navy
none
Notes
Empire Rating: Stable
Discontent: small (17%)
Secret Police: Adequate



Italian Ostrogoths
Ruler: 1889
Economy
Income: 165/turn
Support: 131/turn
Surplus Funds: 34/turn
treasury: 34
Army
Military Effectiveness: fair (65%)
20,000 Western Warriors [-30]
3,000 Medium Cavalry [-12]
4,000 Archers [-12]
10,000 Light Infantry [-15]
8,000 Auxiliaries [-16]
20 Siege Weapons [-2]
100 Scorpions [-4]
- Navy
25 Warships [-25]
15 Escorts [-15]
Notes
Empire Rating: Stable
Discontent: some (19%)
Secret Police: Adequate

Burgundy
Ruler:
Economy
Income: 125/turn
Support: -88/turn
Surplus Funds: 37/turn
treasury: 37
Army
Military Effectiveness: okay (55%)
6,000 Heavy Cavalry [-36]
3,000 Provincial Guard [-12]
8,000 Light Infantry [-12]
10,000 Heavy Infantry [-20]
3,000 Auxiliaries [-6]
50 Scorpions [-2]
- Navy
none
Notes
Empire Rating: Stable
Discontent: minimal (12%)
Secret Police: Adequate

Visigoths
Ruler: Gamecube64
Economy
Income: 180/turn
Support: -150/turn
Surplus Funds: 30/turn
treasury: 30
Army
Military Effectiveness: Good (68%)
8,000 Western Knights [-48]
2,000 Medium Cavalry [-8]
3,000 Archers [-9]
14,000 Light Infantry [-21]
12,000 Heavy Infantry [-24]
6,000 Auxiliaries [-12]
75 Scorpions [-3]
- Navy
20 warships [-20]
5 escorts [-5]
Notes
Empire Rating: Stable
Discontent: some (20%)
Secret Police: Adequate


Vasconia
Ruler:
Economy
Income: 85/turn
Support: -50/turn
Surplus Funds: 35/turn
treasury: 35
Army
Military Effectiveness: average (47%)
2,000 Medium Cavalry [-8]
3,000 Provincial Guard [-9]
6,000 Light Infantry [-9]
4,000 Heavy Infantry [-8]
4,000 Auxiliaries [-8]
- Navy
3 Warships [-3]
5 Escorts [-5]
Notes
Empire Rating: Stable
Discontent: minimal (10%)
Secret Police: Adequate


Sveborum
Ruler:
Economy
Income: 95/turn
Support: -61/turn
Surplus Funds: 34/turn
treasury: 34
Army
Military Effectiveness: average (49%)
3,000 Medium Cavalry [-12]
3,000 Provincial Guard [-9]
8,000 Light Infantry [-12]
4,000 Heavy Infantry [-8]
4,000 Auxiliaries [-8]
- Navy
4 Warships [-5]
7 Escorts [-7]
Notes
Empire Rating: Stable
Discontent: small (12%)
Secret Police: Adequate

Gepidorum
Ruler:
Economy
Income: 78/turn
Support: -61/turn
Surplus Funds: 17/turn
treasury:
Army
Military Effectiveness: average (50%)
1,000 Heavy Cavalry [-6]
3,000 Horse Archers [-18]
1,000 Medium Cavalry [-4]
2,000 Archers [-6]
10,000 Light Infantry [-15]
2,000 Heavy Infantry [-4]
4,000 Warband [-8]
- Navy
none
Notes
Empire Rating: Stable
Discontent: some (20%)
Secret Police: Adequate


Byzantines
Ruler: Comrade Tassadar
Economy
Income: 280/turn
Support: -269/turn
Surplus Funds: 11/turn
treasury: 11
Army
Military Effectiveness: Good (70%)
8,000 Heavy Cavalry [-48]
2,000 Horse Archers [-12]
3,000 Medium Cavalry [-12]
4,000 Archers [-12]
20,000 Light Infantry [-30]
40,000 Eastern Legionaries [-80]
10,000 Auxiliaries [-20]
50 Siege Weapons [-5]
125 Scorpions [-5]
- Navy
35 Warships [-35]
10 Escorts [-10]
Notes
Empire Rating: Susceptible
Discontent: some (28%)
Secret Police: Adequate


Huns
Ruler: bipolarbear
Economy
Income: 55/turn
Support: -39/turn
Surplus Funds: 16/turn
treasury: 16
Army
Military Effectiveness: Good (73%)
500 Heavy Cavalry [-3]
30,000 Steppe Horsebowmen [-30]
4,000 Light Infantry [-6]
- Navy
none
Notes
Empire Rating: Stable
Discontent: minimal (10%)
Secret Police: Adequate


Sassanids
Ruler: appleciders
Economy
Income: 200/turn
Support: -177/turn
Surplus Funds: 23/turn
treasury: 23
Army
Military Effectiveness: Okay (58%)
2,000 Heavy Cavalry [-12]
12,000 Sassanid Cavalry [-48]
4,000 Horse Archers [-24]
8,000 Archers [-24]
14,000 Light Infantry [-21]
4,000 Heavy Infantry [-8]
4,000 Auxiliaries [-8]
30 Siege Weapons [-3]
100 Scorpion [-4]
- Navy
15 Warships [-15]
10 Escorts [-10]
Notes
Empire Rating: Susceptible
Discontent: some (25%)
Secret Police: Adequate

Vandals
Ruler: foolish icarus
Economy
Income: 148/turn
Support: -112/turn
Surplus Funds: 36/turn
treasury: 36
Army
Military Effectiveness: fair (65%)
4,000 Western Knights [-24]
2,000 Horse Archers [-12]
3,000 Medium Cavalry [-12]
12,000 Light Infantry [-18]
6,000 Heavy Infantry [-12]
2,000 Auxiliaries [-4]
- Navy
15 Warships [-15]
15 Escorts [-15]
Notes
Empire Rating: Stable
Discontent: some (28%)
Secret Police: Adequate


Maurorum
Ruler:
Economy
Income: 100/turn
Support: -70/turn
Surplus Funds: 30/turn
treasury: 30
Army
Military Effectiveness: okay (59%)
1,000 Heavy Cavalry [-6]
3,000 Medium Cavalry [-12]
2,000 Horse Archers [-12]
2,000 Archers [-6]
8,000 Light Infantry [-12]
4,000 Western Warriors [-6]
3,000 Auxiliaries [-6]
- Navy
4 Warships [-4]
6 Escorts [-6]
Notes
Empire Rating: Stable
Discontent: small (17%)
Secret Police: Adequate


EDIT added players. Several peoples have not yet chosen nations.

Last edited by foolish_icarus on 22-01-2005 at 10:47

	22-01-2005 13:05									#225
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Thankyou ever soo much, I didn't mean to be a bother. Oh praise the lord!! No more modern NES for me!! Well I'll still play, but whoooo I mean damn Classy Tassy can brag all he wants to, but this one will always be cooler!!! Oh Yeah!!!

	22-01-2005 13:15									#226
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Interesting, you got the Turingi in... That´s where I live now...




Count me in!

	22-01-2005 20:37									#227
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Yay! Stats! Along with some epic poetry, too!

	23-01-2005 00:52									#228
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This looks, unbelievable. Who hasn't picked their nation yet? We should PM them.

	23-01-2005 00:56									#229
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Huns Daily tidings!!!



The huns have announced that a massive militaristic campaign has been launched. The training of any and all able bodied and wiling huns men has begun! The hun men are being strictly shaped into an even better fighting machine.

With the current available resources, all borders that can be fortified, are being fortified, as strongly and as heavily as possible. 24 hrs a day there is are guards patrolling and a warning system of couriers have been setup.

	23-01-2005 01:20									#230
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The Visigoths don't know what this "poetry" business is, but it sure made our heads go ouch. We wish to greet the begining of the world as soon as we can.

	23-01-2005 01:31									#231
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quote: Originally posted by bipolarbear Huns Daily tidings!!! The huns have announced that a massive militaristic campaign has been launched. The training of any and all able bodied and wiling huns men has begun! The hun men are being strictly shaped into an even better fighting machine. With the current available resources, all borders that can be fortified, are being fortified, as strongly and as heavily as possible. 24 hrs a day there is are guards patrolling and a warning system of couriers have been setup.

This won't be the thread we will be using.

	23-01-2005 01:41									#232
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Are we going to move this into a new thread then? It'd look nice to have all the stats and the map right up top. This is going to be awesome!

	23-01-2005 01:54									#233
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I will start a new thread soon. I just want to write some things to explain the updates, and the like. I also want to format some stuff. Would you mind doing me a favor and PM'ing some people that haven't picked nations? Tuberski wanted to get started with NES'es as well, but he seems to have forgotten, so hopefully we can get him involved as well.

	23-01-2005 01:57									#234
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Yes, we need to move it. Quickly. I have Vasconians to "assimilate".

	23-01-2005 02:00									#235
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May I first state "Cool!" and second request an alliance with the Hunnic Empire under Attila's successor, Bipolarbear the Hun?

	23-01-2005 02:47									#236
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quote: Originally posted by Gamecube64 The Visigoths don't know what this "poetry" business is, but it sure made our heads go ouch. We wish to greet the begining of the world as soon as we can.

our secret Vandal plan is working!

Know this, Visigothic neighbors, that it would be most dangerous for you to try to meet us on the battlefield, for if you do, we shall arrive...
chanting Dr. Seuss-like verses! Fear!

	23-01-2005 03:32									#237
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Indeed, the fearsome poetry of the Vandals is a force to be reckoned with.

	23-01-2005 03:41									#238
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We have no plans of such an invasion. Our only goals right now are getting rid of those Vasconians and Sveborummers that are polluting our glorious peninsula with their outstanding weakness.

BTW, where are the Vandals on the map?

Edit: Ahh.. nevermind. They are in Africa.

	23-01-2005 04:17									#239
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quote: May I first state "Cool!" and second request an alliance with the Hunnic Empire under Attila's successor, Bipolarbear the Hun?

We are actually now the Puns. We were goign to be Invader Zimbobway, but the democratic process ruled it out.

The leader of the Puns is Jesuszilla (son of godzilla).

[personal note ooc:] Seeing how pissy everybody got in the last NES, Tassy's modern one, I will state that I will officially keep the sanity levle high, and the insanity in check. And by the way, in Punic (language of the puns) It isn't pronounced Jesus, it is pronounced Jay-Zeus, a combination of the god of stupid jokes and bad interviews (Jay Leno, and the god of thunder and the gods (Zeus)

	23-01-2005 04:35									#240
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Might I suggest that we establish a policy in the NES of placing random (yet funny) bs in italics and actual orders in normal text, to avoid confusion and accidental implementation of sarcastic orders? And may I congratulate Bipolarbear on his never-ending source of sarcasm?

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