31-12-2004 12:06									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Sava Anyone have any reputable links where I can view Tsunami footage?

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...threadid=127471

	31-12-2004 12:14									#32
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I'm also curious how the wave forms.

Wouldn't a wave go out in all directions?

Why did the wave not go south? or southwest and hit other parts of Africa?

	31-12-2004 12:18									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident We are lucky in a way because so much of that ring of fire is on land. It seems after this, land earthquakes are much safer than one's out at sea. Imagine if the plates were a few miles off the coast of California instead under the land part of it. No tsunami system would be able to detect it quick enough for sufficient warning.

Shows what you know. The fault line exits California near LA into the ocean. The cheif danger here is that undersea eathquakes could trigger undersea slides, which produce massive, if localized, tsunamis, with no warning.

The reason why such diasters don't seem to befall the U.S. is because we have an extensive early warning system. The Galveston 1905 hurricane killed 5,000 people. If we hadn't evacuated Florida, there could easily have been many thousands of dead this year.

Nor are we immune to sudden disaster. Seattle and Portland could both be obliterated in a moments notice by volcano.

	31-12-2004 12:25									#34
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quote: I'm also curious how the wave forms. Wouldn't a wave go out in all directions? Why did the wave not go south? or southwest and hit other parts of Africa?

	31-12-2004 12:47									#35
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Diss - hurricanes don't do **** because we have adequate protection against them. the destruction in SE asia is partially due to lack of protection against tsunamis.

Which isn't to say hurricanes don't take a toll:

Jeanne (2004) - 3,000 in Haiti
Ivan (2004) - $13B damage in Gulf of Mexico
Charley (2004) - $14B damage to Florida
Mitch (1998) - 11,000 in Haiti
Georges (1998) $6B in US, 533 in Hispanola
Fran (1996) - $3B damage in NC
Andrew (1992) - $26B damage in US
Hugo (1989) - $7B damage in NC and SC
Gilbert (1988) - $5B plus 318 dead
David (1979) - 2,000 in Carribean
Fifi (1974) - 8,000 in Honduras
Inez (1967) - 1,000 in Carribean
Flora (1963) - 7,000 in Haiti and Cuba
Also:
Galveston Hurricane of 1900 - 8,000-12,000 in Texas
Great Hurricane of 1780 - 20,000 in Carribean

The reasons this doesn't happen often today are 1.) adequate buildings, 2.) adequate warnings, 3.) less dense population (specifically places in the Carribean)

Also, we have:

Earthquakes (most caused billions $ damage):
Northridge, CA (1994) - 68 dead
Nicaragua (1992) - 116 dead
Loma Prieta, CA (1989) - 63 dead
Michoacan, Mexico (1984) - 9,500 dead
Guatemala (1976) - 23,000 dead
Peru (1970) - 66,000 dead

Plus the "Storm of the Century", a massive blizzard in 1978 that killed 270 people and affected half the US population in 26 states.

Also, according to experts, a future eruption of the volcano Cumbre Vieja in La Palma in the Canary Islands would make a mass of land that is already sliding collapse into the ocean, creating a tsunami in the Atlantic and causing distruction in Europe and the US that would rival this disaster, taking with it Miami, New York, and Boston, according to analysis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsunamis

Let's pray that never happens.

	31-12-2004 13:42									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident makes you wonder why these types of disasters seem to happen in those parts of the world. Why is it North America has escaped all these disasters?

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	31-12-2004 14:36									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident makes you wonder why these types of disasters seem to happen in those parts of the world. Why is it North America has escaped all these disasters? And don't give me hurricanes. Hurricanes don't do ****. Same with tornados. We are lucky in a way because so much of that ring of fire is on land. It seems after this, land earthquakes are much safer than one's out at sea. Imagine if the plates were a few miles off the coast of California instead under the land part of it. No tsunami system would be able to detect it quick enough for sufficient warning.

Just wait til the Yellowstone Caldera blows and you'll see just how bad we can have it here.

I was really saddened by all of the people who were looking for missing relatives. For some reason that affects me more than someone who has definitely lost their relatives. I guess because you know that they are being gnawed with uncertainty while someone who has lost a relative is already beginning to deal with it and move on with life.

	31-12-2004 15:19									#39
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That's an interesting image of the waves power and direction.

It's no wonder Sri Lanka was hit so badly.

I'm glad that Singapore didn't get hit, my fiance lives there and Singapore is very flat!!

	31-12-2004 15:25									#40
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The reason it wasn't a circular wave was that the faultline wasn't a point, but rather a long (I've heard 1000km, but can't find anything now) faultline that suddenly all moved. This is what caused those two lines of water heading away from the fault.

As for why the US hasn't had this kind of trouble.. You've been lucky so far, and you probably wouldn't have the same percentage loss of life due to better infrastructure, but try and imagine what a 9.0 strong, 1000km long earthquake would do in California...

	31-12-2004 17:36									#41
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The official number of missing Swedes is now 3500, according to the Foreign Department. Only 60 have been identified as dead so far. Missing people still show up for the evacuation flights, but the hope to find anyone alive is decreasing.

Tomorrow will be a public day of sorrow in Sweden, and a lot of the public New Year's fireworks will be cancelled tonight. I will celebrate New Years Eve with my family. My kids don't have a clue what happened and I think it should better stay that way. Otherwise they might never go to the beach again.

	31-12-2004 18:03									#42
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Could not post in the other thread before it was closed.

What a ****ing terrible catastrophe...

So far, there are 242 brazilians missing, according to an official list from the brazilian government. I think that the actual number is probably very close to this one.

	31-12-2004 18:53									#43
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I live about 30-40 feet above the Pacific. That may not be enough if something happens here. I had no idea earthquakes could be so dangerous even though I have been through a couple big ones.

	31-12-2004 18:59									#44
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara

On this simulation, the Wave is bouncing off the coast of India towards Burma and Bangladesh. But it might have lost some power in the process, which could explain why the casualty numbers were so low there. Let's hope the low casulty number in Burma was not a political cover-up after all.

	31-12-2004 19:13									#45
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From that image you have to wonder how the Maldives even exist any more. I know damage and casualties were very high there, but it looks like they should have been completely obliterated, especially condsidering that there is no high ground.

	31-12-2004 19:38									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Chemical Ollie On this simulation, the Wave is bouncing off the coast of India towards Burma and Bangladesh. But it might have lost some power in the process, which could explain why the casualty numbers were so low there. Let's hope the low casulty number in Burma was not a political cover-up after all.

Actually, when I look at that animation, for me is clear why they were not so badly affected-the Nicober islands break the wave heading to the more exposed parts of Burma, and also disrupt that going to bangladesh-after all, damage in India up north is also light.

As for Kontiki's questions about the Maldives, maybe the fact they are so lowlying means than when the wave comes, it does notbuild up as much as when hitting a more significant landmass and passes with less interference.

	31-12-2004 19:49									#47
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You must also pay attention to under water mountains and valleys which an disrupt energy from a potential tsunami.

	31-12-2004 19:53									#48
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First cases of cholera reported from India. Prepare for a lot worse

	31-12-2004 20:07									#49
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136,000

Also -

Banda Aceh, Indonesia, before the tsunami (top) and after (bottom):

	31-12-2004 20:46									#50
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Holy ****.

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	31-12-2004 20:49									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Sikander Just wait til the Yellowstone Caldera blows and you'll see just how bad we can have it here. I was really saddened by all of the people who were looking for missing relatives. For some reason that affects me more than someone who has definitely lost their relatives. I guess because you know that they are being gnawed with uncertainty while someone who has lost a relative is already beginning to deal with it and move on with life.

which reminds me of 9/11. Yes I know this is far worse.

but all those signs searching for lost relatives. You don't know if they are alive or dead, but there is a pretty good chance they are dead.

	31-12-2004 20:52									#52
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and in that second animation, it looks like it should have hit Madagascar. Which is what I was curious about.

	31-12-2004 21:01									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident and in that second animation, it looks like it should have hit Madagascar. Which is what I was curious about.

It did, as it hit the rest of the African east coast. Last I heard, 3 people died in Kenya, 10 in Tanzania and the Seychelles and Madagascar only had property damage. Fortunately they have plenty of time to prepare themselves so the effects were minimal (which also explains the limited media coverage).

	31-12-2004 21:02									#54
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EUROPEANS DEAD OR MISSING
Sweden: 59 dead, about 2,500 missing
Germany: 33 dead, over 1,000 missing
Britain: 29 dead, unconfirmed number missing
France: 22 dead, 96 missing
Norway: 21 dead, 430 missing
Italy: 14 dead, 700 missing
Switzerland: 11 dead, 850 missing
Denmark: 7 dead, 419 missing
Austria: 5 dead, up to 100 missing
Finland: 4 dead, 263 missing
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/as...fic/4136871.stm

	31-12-2004 21:15									#55
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and why do so many Europeans travel to those regions of the world? I don't understand why they were considered paradise. It all seems like jungle to me.

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	31-12-2004 21:19									#56
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Belgium
(Thailand alone): 6 dead - about 127 missing
Sri Lanka: ? - about 64 missing

	31-12-2004 21:19									#57
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The Netherlands: 6 dead, "dozens" missing.

The Dutch state news service NOS reports that India has reduced the official death toll from 13,268 to 10,736. This because 3,000 people in the Andaman and Nicobar islands who were presumed dead have been found alive. 'Only' 712 confirmed dead there now. I can't find any other reports to back this up, but if true that's very good news

Source (Dutch only): http://www.nos.nl/nieuws/artikelen/...lopeninazi.html

	31-12-2004 22:47									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Gangerolf EUROPEANS DEAD OR MISSING Sweden: 59 dead, about 2,500 missing Germany: 33 dead, over 1,000 missing Britain: 29 dead, unconfirmed number missing France: 22 dead, 96 missing Norway: 21 dead, 430 missing Italy: 14 dead, 700 missing Switzerland: 11 dead, 850 missing Denmark: 7 dead, 419 missing Austria: 5 dead, up to 100 missing Finland: 4 dead, 263 missing http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/as...fic/4136871.stm

There is some (low, however) number of dead Poles too.

A friend of my sister, however, went on a trip into other region of India just for that time, and she's ok.
She's had a lot of luck - unfortunatelly, others did not.

	31-12-2004 23:33									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident and why do so many Europeans travel to those regions of the world? I don't understand why they were considered paradise. It all seems like jungle to me. Come to Vegas europeans!

It's been a backpacker haven for awhile, then there was that movie with DiCaprio (The Beach) and it became very popular in general. Especially Scandinavians go there to get away from their dark cold winter, think Canadians and Florida.

Luxembourg still has 23 missing, which is quite a large amount for a country with 400k inhabitants. No confirmed dead yet though. All the people that my parents knew that were there at the time are safe.

Some the pictures i have seen alomst look like the pictures you seem from Nagasaki or Hiroshima, only slightly wetter..

	31-12-2004 23:57									#60
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Don't know if this has been posted yet, but MSNBC has some good satellite before and after photos:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6770108/?GT1=5936