04-01-2005 22:33									#31
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actually, I spent more than 180 on Civ

but than, I accidently bought Civ3 limited edition twice

Jon Miller

	04-01-2005 22:37									#32
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as fra as the fun of the combat: (I have played FFXI, CoH, AO, and EQ2)

1. CoH
2. EQ2
3. AO
4. FFXI

Items:

1. EQ2
2. AO
3. FFXI
4. CoH

Quests:

1. EQ2
2. FFXI
3. AO
4. CoH (this might be expanded now, I played for less than a month)

Player Interaction

1. AO
2. EQ2
3. CoH
4. FFXI (not being able to choose your server, and than having to buy a linkshell, were real pains in the ass, good PvP is also needed (only AO has))

I should mention on this last one that AO is head and shouldiers above the competition. EQ2 has fairly minimal (although I haven't expereinced everything).

Jon Miller

	05-01-2005 03:21									#33
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	05-01-2005 04:34									#34
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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd There's no real reason to PvP, the "war" doesn't make sense.

Admittedly much of the real PvP stuff is listed under the "coming soon" section of Blizzard's site. But it's hardly meaningless.

quote: Arenas are places where players can meet up to battle in pre-arranged PvP battles which would be suited for guild vs guild combat. There are actually 2 known arena spots, one is located in Orgrimmar, the other in Stranglethorn Vale, near Grom'gol. These areas are currently designated to be Free For All (FFA) areas where anyone may attack any other person regardless of faction. With pre-arranged battles, gamers in the world will be able to purchase tickets to watch arena battles, a feature that was revealed at E3 2003, but currently not complete.

quote: PvP Rewards have not been implemented in game yet. However, the following information is known about them and we hope they will be implemented soon. While engaging in PvP combat, there are two types of kills, honourable and dishonourable kills. Kills that are honourable are of those that are near your level and higher. Currently, only killing Faction NPCs give honourable kills. Based on the amount of honour points accumulated, not only will players gain a military title, there is also a special PvP team tabard and players will gain discounts from your faction's NPC vendors which includes equipment such as cloaks, rings, armor, and weapons. Players with high ranks will also become officers with officer tabards and access to the special officer's barracks. The barracks will enable you to buy rare items and players might even gain access to special mounts and items of epic quality. For further prestige you could even gain the title of City Protector for your racial capital and gain the ability to teleport to your home city at will.

quote: Special zones will soon be available in the game world which are always set to PvP and allow players to engage in fair combat against players in a similar level range. These zones are not restricted to the PvP servers but they will also appear on the PvE servers as contested territories. These Battleground zones also feature quests with greater rewards due to the increased danger. If the commander of an enemy town dies, the town becomes "razed" and honour points are added to your teams score. Siege weaponry has been a popular topic of discussion and although this has yet to be implemented and we are looking to add the feature after the game has launched. Once added, players will have to not only finish off any NPCs but actually destroy all the buildings. Entrances to Battlegrounds are marked by red portals, much like the blue instance portals to group instances. There are currently 2 red portals sighted on the edge of Hillsbrad Foothills and Alterac Moutains although they currently do nothing at the moment. It is speculated that each entrance will be used by one faction to enter the battleground.

quote: As for it being the most varied, I think Anarchy Online has randomly generated missions with their own (randomly generated) areas.

Oh, you can't be serious. I played Anarchy Online for months, they were the same thing with random names and locations...

	05-01-2005 04:49									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Oh, you can't be serious. I played Anarchy Online for months, they were the same thing with random names and locations...

Where as the WoW quests are the same thing with non-random names and locations.

	05-01-2005 05:39									#36
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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd Where as the WoW quests are the same thing with non-random names and locations.

I've played the game a lot now (L33 Human Paladin, L14 Dwarf Hunter), and I don't have any issues with the quests. I welcome your input for more variation...

I've had quests where I've had to go assassinate people. I've had escort quests. I've had "so and so is lost, go find them" quests. I've had "kill X many things" quests. I've had "bring me X many heads" quests. I've had "bring me these ingredients so I can make something for you" quests. I've had "make me this thing" quests. etc.

What else could they add to improve it?

	05-01-2005 06:03									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Oh, you can't be serious. I played Anarchy Online for months, they were the same thing with random names and locations...

yeah, that is why AO scored so low for me for quests

same for CoH )because the ShadowLand quests aren't like that)

JM

	05-01-2005 18:35									#38
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I've got a 43 Troll Shaman on Bronzebeard. I also have a a large number of alts - in fact all classes except warlock and all races except gnome. All are above lvl10 and 4 (including my Shaman) are above lvl20.

So far I've found Shaman and Mage to be the most fun classes, but that's just my playstyle.

	06-01-2005 02:48									#39
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The PvP situation needs a little fixing IMO. I really like this game, but it's hella annoying when some ******* who's 30 levels higher than you (I'm 23 and he was 50 something) just camps in a wilderness area killing people who don't yet have the ability to fight back. Even worse, this jackass would camp at your corpse so if you respawned he'd just kill you again. This guy was really a piece of work too, because he ran away the second someone even close to his level came by.

It was obviously a little kid doing it, or someone with no self esteem, but it still shouldn't be happening. They need to introduce that system where it's dishonorable to kill people who are significantly lower level then you, unless you're attacked first.

	06-01-2005 03:16									#40
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike Plus $180 is not that much for a year's play anyway.

You dont want me to respond, do you

Comparing a PC to going out to a movie isnt really accurate. The movie theater provides the place, the equipment, does the work of getting the thing running, etc. Thats why going to the movies is more expensive than renting a DVD.

Renting a DVD would be more comparable, since you provide your own equipment, etc. At that rate, about $1 per hour of entertainment seems fair.

So a $50(US) game that provides say 50 hours game play sound about right. A bargain bin diver and all around cheapskate lie myself pays rather less than that, but foregoes certain benefits.

For an MMORPG youve got $15 a month over and above the price of the game. Thats clearly justifiable if you play it alot, but hardly sounds like a great bargain, unless you eat, sleep and breathe the game (which, i suppose, some people do)

	06-01-2005 04:41									#41
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Well if you are aiming for $1 an hour with $50 and $15 then you only need 95 hours over 3 months, which is hardly living and breathing the game. If you played for a year at a cost of $230 then you only need 230 hours.

	06-01-2005 05:32									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Asher I've played the game a lot now (L33 Human Paladin, L14 Dwarf Hunter), and I don't have any issues with the quests. I welcome your input for more variation... I've had quests where I've had to go assassinate people. I've had escort quests. I've had "so and so is lost, go find them" quests. I've had "kill X many things" quests. I've had "bring me X many heads" quests. I've had "bring me these ingredients so I can make something for you" quests. I've had "make me this thing" quests. etc. What else could they add to improve it?

I hate the kill X many things quests. That's what really put me off on Everquest 2. Lame. It's things like that why I don't consider it a real role playing game.

	06-01-2005 09:25									#43
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike Well if you are aiming for $1 an hour with $50 and $15 then you only need 95 hours over 3 months, which is hardly living and breathing the game. If you played for a year at a cost of $230 then you only need 230 hours.

I didnt say you had live and breath the game for it to be worthwhile at a dollar an hour, i said you had to live and breathe the game for it to be a BARGAIN.

Quibble, quibble, quibble, quibble.

And yes, it becomes more reasonable the more months you play, since you are "amortizing" the game price over more months, and the cost approaches the monthly fee.

However if you buy a conventional game for $50, and you playit for 95 hours over 3 months, thats less than 30 cents per hour. Rather more of a bargain. And lots of folks think $50 is a high price for a game. And, for the most part, you can get pretty recent games for signigicantly less (Im talking 6 month old games for $30, not my abacus games for $5)

Assuming you play it for 3 months, thats $95. The only conventional games that cost that much are some of the most expensive war games - i think War in the Pacific may have been close to that. And that was huge game, and one most people who buy it will play for longer than 3 months. Hell, i think they have to go longer than 3 months to finish it once.

	06-01-2005 14:42									#44
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The thing about MMORPGs is that you don't finish them, they keep changing (last WoW patch had a few new dungeons already). Also the cinema thing is moreapt than you realise as they provide the servers and bandwidth to run on. Most other online games will run on individuals servers.

	06-01-2005 14:49									#45
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Not only do they provide the servers & bandwidth, but they actively develop, maintain, and provide new content and quests all the time.

	06-01-2005 17:11									#46
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MMORPGs are social games. You don't want to finish the game, as then what else are you meant to do with the game you are still paying for?

	06-01-2005 22:34									#47
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then it's a really expensive chat room.

	07-01-2005 00:07									#48
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LotM you are just a cheapskate.

	07-01-2005 03:11									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns MMORPGs are social games. You don't want to finish the game, as then what else are you meant to do with the game you are still paying for?

Good grief, even i know that there are folks whove been playing Everquest for years, etc. My reference to FINISHING War in the Pacific was merely an attempt to explain why $95 would be more worthwhile to THAT particular game than to other conventional games (btw, we need a better word for PC games that arent MMORPGs)

Look, I understand that there are folks who game no more than I do, but who choose to put all their gaming time over a year or more into one particular MMORPG, and that for them the game may well be a bargain. While it sounds even geekier, and an odder use of time, than some forms of gaming i prefer, what the hey, it takes all types - different strokes, a thousand flowers, you get the picture.

	08-01-2005 11:49									#50
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I've heard good things about World of Warcraft; but the subscription turned me off. How much is it?

	08-01-2005 13:36									#51
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If you read the thread, 15$ for one month, 14$ for two, 13$ for three.

	08-01-2005 15:43									#52
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A steal at the price.

	08-01-2005 18:47									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Lord Nuclear If you read the thread, 15$ for one month, 14$ for two, 13$ for three.

Plus $50 USD for the cd key.


EDIT: Or $150 if you want the collectors edition.

	08-01-2005 20:03									#54
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The collector's edition is the #9 best selling PC game last week

	09-01-2005 05:03									#55
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Can't believe people buy those.

	09-01-2005 06:04									#56
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But you get an ingame mini diablo as a pet

	09-01-2005 07:11									#57
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I thought the Collectors Edition was 80$? And it comes with a free month subscription, so it's really 15$ less than the price.

	09-01-2005 08:02									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Lord Nuclear I thought the Collectors Edition was 80$?

I thought it was around that price too, but EB is selling it for $150. Maybe they hiked the price when they realized how many raving fanboys there are.

quote: And it comes with a free month subscription, so it's really 15$ less than the price.

Or the first month is just a free trial period. Depends on how you want to look at it.

	09-01-2005 08:44									#59
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The regular version comes with a free month also... what's your point?

	09-01-2005 08:55									#60
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I thought that only the CE had a free month, I guess I was wrong.