09-01-2005 09:02									#61
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The collectors addition, if I remember correctly, comes with both the CD and DVD version (don't ask me why) an exclusive in-game pet (which is only for show and does not fight or do anything - you can choose between a zergling, a mini-diablo, or a panda) a hard-cover "art book", a cloth map, a "making of" DVD, a soundtrack, and a 10 day free trial key (which can not be converted into a full working account) that can be given away, or used yourself if you want to throw away ten days of play for some reason.

	09-01-2005 09:04									#62
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Supposedly the "art book" is quite nice, but all the rest is .

	09-01-2005 10:00									#63
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I bought my World of Warcraft at EB for 54.99 Canadian , whereas Future Shop had it listed at 59.99. I thought that since they guarantee the lowest price they would lower the price to match later on, instead they RAISED the price to 69.99 - that shows how popular WoW is

	09-01-2005 10:29									#64
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How much lag is there?

	09-01-2005 16:09									#65
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There were issues early on given the huge demand for the game, but there isn't too much whining on the forums now so I presume it's mostly sorted.

	10-01-2005 00:47									#66
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Actually, there has been lately, like being cut out for no reason in the middle of the game, and landing in a position of 500 in the que.

	10-01-2005 01:35									#67
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Hehe, I'd be mad if I paid to sit in a queue as well.

	10-01-2005 03:59									#68
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I've never been stuck in a queue, but there has been some lag off and on and the server does have a nasty habit of randomly booting people sometimes.

Also, 2 nights ago, every Pacific and Mountain server went down at the same time.

Even worse, anytime a raid occurs with a large number of people (50+) it lags everyone out. I'm not high enough level to take part in huge raids, but if I was I'd be pretty pissed that this happens.

	10-01-2005 05:37									#69
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They can fix that problem though, which is what I love about MMORPGs.

	10-01-2005 06:01									#70
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quote: Originally posted by Lord Nuclear They can fix that problem though, which is what I love about MMORPGs.

That they have problems which need fixing?

	10-01-2005 08:16									#71
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What kind of argument is that?

All games have problems that need fixing. MMORPGs are patched and updated regularly for many years. The original Asheron's Call is still getting content updates.

	10-01-2005 09:28									#72
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I wasn't criticizing MMORPGs, I was praising them.

	10-01-2005 10:02									#73
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Ludd was putting your praise in as negative light as possible.
Some may say "grasping at straws".

	10-01-2005 10:21									#74
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I know Ludd was trying to do that, but I don't think that Asher was.

	10-01-2005 11:01									#75
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I think Asher was responding to Ludd

	10-01-2005 12:56									#76
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Yup.

	10-01-2005 13:16									#77
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Ah sweet relief, EU Final Beta is out for a few weeks (suspected release date is 10th Feb), so I can get my fix again. Level 14 Tauren Druid on EN Test 7.

	10-01-2005 17:36									#78
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quote: Originally posted by Asher What kind of argument is that?

That's what I was asking.

What kind of 'argument' is "That's what I love about MMORPGs - They can fix that problem"? As you say, all games have problems that need fixing, and they can all potentially be fixed. There are single player games that do a great job of this and there are MMOGs that do a horrible job of this, and vice versa of course.


I wasn't 'grasping at straws' to put it into a negative light, either. That's just how I like to post.

	11-01-2005 03:10									#79
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Of all types of games though, MMORPGs have the greatest stake in fixing problems their game has. The people they get next month's revenue from are largely the people who are already playing the game now. Keep them happy, keep them subscribed.

	11-01-2005 04:28									#80
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Thus stuff gets fixed. Fixed stuff is good.

	11-01-2005 07:47									#81
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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd That's what I was asking. What kind of 'argument' is "That's what I love about MMORPGs - They can fix that problem"? As you say, all games have problems that need fixing, and they can all potentially be fixed. There are single player games that do a great job of this and there are MMOGs that do a horrible job of this, and vice versa of course. I wasn't 'grasping at straws' to put it into a negative light, either. That's just how I like to post.

You mean, you normally try to grasp at straws to put things into negative light.

	11-01-2005 09:51									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns Of all types of games though, MMORPGs have the greatest stake in fixing problems their game has. The people they get next month's revenue from are largely the people who are already playing the game now. Keep them happy, keep them subscribed.

But games like Shadowbane and Anarchy online show us that this is not a rule for MMORPGs (or even neccisary to keep a fan base), while games like Europa Universalis show us that it is not unheard of for singleplayer games, either.


Either way, a MMORPG crashing because it is unable to handle large amounts of players is a pretty critical flaw.



[quote]You mean, you normally try to grasp at straws to put things into negative light. [/quote[


Well, if that's how you want to look at it....

	11-01-2005 10:02									#83
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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd But games like Shadowbane and Anarchy online show us that this is not a rule for MMORPGs (or even neccisary to keep a fan base), while games like Europa Universalis show us that it is not unheard of for singleplayer games, either. Either way, a MMORPG crashing because it is unable to handle large amounts of players is a pretty critical flaw. [quote]You mean, you normally try to grasp at straws to put things into negative light. [/quote[ Well, if that's how you want to look at it....

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