01-01-2005 06:21									#31
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lol you really pwnd him MNG LOL!

	01-01-2005 06:27									#32
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You know a Mac Basher just might argue that their PC could blow this Mac out of the water (as Fez has done), but if you say so you are missing the whole point.

The whole point of Apple's strategy in releasing such a system is to make the Mac more affordable for those who say, "I want a Mac, but I just can't afford one" OR "I just can't justify the cost of buying one because I'm not so sure what I'm getting into." Believe me, I've heard this from PC users too many times to count.

You see, the idea is to help PC users try out the Macintosh to see wether they like it or not (if history has anything to say about this most will be pleased with their purchase), so that it will help them justify the cost of buying a more powerful Macintosh as their next system in the near future.

That's all their is to it. If you say your PC can beat this Mac to the punch then that's not a valid argument because this particular Mac is meant only to promote Apple's more powerful computers. There is no need to get all hyped up and start trolling over this. 'Nuff said.

	01-01-2005 06:29									#33
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quote: lol you really pwnd him MNG LOL!

I pwned you Tass. You're my b1tch, so be quiet.

	01-01-2005 06:32									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon quote: lol you really pwnd him MNG LOL! I pwned you Tass. You're my b1tch, so be quiet.

I think your confusing me with Jaguar. It's ok, that happens all the time.

	01-01-2005 06:33									#35
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I pwned him too. I must be God.

	01-01-2005 07:16									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Nice Guy You know a Mac Basher just might argue that their PC could blow this Mac out of the water (as Fez has done), but if you say so you are missing the whole point. The whole point of Apple's strategy in releasing such a system is to make the Mac more affordable for those who say, "I want a Mac, but I just can't afford one" OR "I just can't justify the cost of buying one because I'm not so sure what I'm getting into." Believe me, I've heard this from PC users too many times to count.

Brilliant! Now people will realize, not only are Mac's too expensive, but they're crap too!

	01-01-2005 07:50									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Brilliant! Now people will realize, not only are Mac's too expensive, but they're crap too!

You're hopeless.

	01-01-2005 07:52									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Nice Guy You've clearly pwned me. I forfeit.

	01-01-2005 08:36									#39
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Kuci, make sure you make an appointment with a shrink ASAP.

	01-01-2005 08:37									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Nice Guy Kuci, make sure you make me an appointment with a shrink ASAP.

OK!

	01-01-2005 15:24									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Nice Guy $800-$1000 still doesn't beat $499.

But when my PC manages to defeat the best G5 by 20% in benchmarks tests, it doesn't really matter now does it?

quote: Well, no sense in arguing with someone who hopelessly repeats the same rhetoric over and over again for eternity!

You are the one repeating the same rhetoric over and over again. You follow Apple like a cult. The IMac is a piece of junk... and I can't wait to see what kind of hardware this $499 one has... ATI Radeon 7000? 128MB of ram?

quote: You see, the idea is to help PC users try out the Macintosh to see wether they like it or not (if history has anything to say about this most will be pleased with their purchase), so that it will help them justify the cost of buying a more powerful Macintosh as their next system in the near future.

No PC user would buy a piece of crap. I know the majority of PC users are probably wanting the Athlon 64. It is the most solid, best CPU on the market. Why anybody would want a more "powerful" Mac is beyond me when Mac's hardly have any software out on them compared to AMD/Intel based machines.

	01-01-2005 16:20									#42
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Amazingly, this is substantially more pathetic than every other Mac thread, ever, on Apolyton.

Congratulations you two.

	01-01-2005 16:32									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Amazingly, this is substantially more pathetic than every other Mac thread, ever, on Apolyton. Congratulations you two.

Therefore, to bring it to the level of Slashdot...

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* Ari Rahikkala has never used an Alpha CPU and has basically no idea of the issues involved in its performance

	01-01-2005 19:40									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo But when my PC manages to defeat the best G5 by 20% in benchmarks tests, it doesn't really matter now does it? You are the one repeating the same rhetoric over and over again. You follow Apple like a cult. The IMac is a piece of junk... and I can't wait to see what kind of hardware this $499 one has... ATI Radeon 7000? 128MB of ram? No PC user would buy a piece of crap. I know the majority of PC users are probably wanting the Athlon 64. It is the most solid, best CPU on the market. Why anybody would want a more "powerful" Mac is beyond me when Mac's hardly have any software out on them compared to AMD/Intel based machines.

Eh eh um.

quote: Originally posted by Mr. Nice Guy You know a Mac Basher just might argue that their PC could blow this Mac out of the water (as Fez has done), but if you say so you are missing the whole point. The whole point of Apple's strategy in releasing such a system is to make the Mac more affordable for those who say, "I want a Mac, but I just can't afford one" OR "I just can't justify the cost of buying one because I'm not so sure what I'm getting into." Believe me, I've heard this from PC users too many times to count. You see, the idea is to help PC users try out the Macintosh to see wether they like it or not (if history has anything to say about this most will be pleased with their purchase), so that it will help them justify the cost of buying a more powerful Macintosh as their next system in the near future. That's all their is to it. If you say your PC can beat this Mac to the punch then that's not a valid argument because this particular Mac is meant only to promote Apple's more powerful computers. There is no need to get all hyped up and start trolling over this. 'Nuff said.

	01-01-2005 21:44									#45
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Can you still disprove me? PC Users are right when they opt out of spending any amount of money on a low quality IMac... and one for $499... well... PC Users still won't change their mind. You can use the same amount of money and get a way better PC Machine.

	01-01-2005 22:11									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Can you still disprove me? PC Users are right when they opt out of spending any amount of money on a low quality IMac... and one for $499... well... PC Users still won't change their mind. You can use the same amount of money and get a way better PC Machine.

	01-01-2005 22:48									#47
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I think Berz nails it.

Many people could be attracted by Mac's simplicity, and may want to switch from PC to Macs. However they don't want to invest heavily into something they don't know.

500$ is a modest cost for a computer, and something the Mac-Curious could probably afford. I don't know if the rumor is true. But it looks like a sound commercial policy to me: expand your market by making a product that can be attractive to potential new customers, instead of focusing on the same niche, that only shrinks.

	01-01-2005 23:16									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor I think Berz nails it. Many people could be attracted by Mac's simplicity, and may want to switch from PC to Macs. However they don't want to invest heavily into something they don't know.

My point exactly and in your face, Fez (if you haven't blocked me yet)! Though I have this gut feeling that you still don't quite get my drift.

quote: 500$ is a modest cost for a computer, and something the Mac-Curious could probably afford. I don't know if the rumor is true. But it looks like a sound commercial policy to me: expand your market by making a product that can be attractive to potential new customers, instead of focusing on the same niche, that only shrinks.

So, if this rumor is true, then keep up the good work, Apple; you are moving in the right direction!

	02-01-2005 00:05									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor 500$ is a modest cost for a computer, and something the Mac-Curious could probably afford. I don't know if the rumor is true. But it looks like a sound commercial policy to me: expand your market by making a product that can be attractive to potential new customers, instead of focusing on the same niche, that only shrinks.

But are you still a niche player then? This piece of pricing tactics just undermines the differentiation strategy of Apple.

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quote: Originally posted by Zopperoni But are you still a niche player then? This piece of pricing tactics just undermines the differentiation strategy of Apple.

But you must realize that if Apple doesn't start thinking "outside the box" they might be out of the PC business within a few years.

	02-01-2005 00:41									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Nice Guy My point exactly and in your face, Fez (if you haven't blocked me yet)! Though I have this gut feeling that you still don't quite get my drift.

In my face? With the 2% and declining market share Apple holds? The only thing that is in your face is the AMD Athlon 64, and the fact it can be afforded for mid-range machines.

	02-01-2005 01:03									#52
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Fez, I just came to a realization. You Log Cabin Repubs make me laugh hard!

	02-01-2005 01:24									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Nice Guy Fez, I just came to a realization. You Log Cabin Repubs make me laugh hard!

I don't see anybody the username of fez.

But at any rate, you make me laugh hard. You ultra-conservative christians... you are trying to hijack America and turn us into a backwards theocratic state.

	02-01-2005 01:41									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo I don't see anybody the username of fez.

You know, if you just ignored it when people call you Fez instead of making remarks about it then this will eventually go away naturally. Cuz you know what, it's hilarious when you get all fired up over it and it just makes people want to tease you about it even more.

quote: You ultra-conservative christians... you are trying to hijack America and turn us into a backwards theocratic state.

Um, no we just want it to be a philosophically moral state.

	02-01-2005 01:43									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Amazingly, this is substantially more pathetic than every other Mac thread, ever, on Apolyton. Congratulations you two.

Yeah, Fez vs. MNG is just... hard to believe.

	02-01-2005 01:44									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Nice Guy You know, if you just ignored it when people call you Fez instead of making remarks about it then this will eventually go away naturally. Cuz you know what, it's hilarious when you get all fired up over it and it just makes people want to tease you about it even more.

Call me by my real name. Fez is no longer used around here except by the people who want to create problems and I now direct those people to ming. Apple is still losing.

quote: Um, no we just want it to be a philosophically moral state.

Good, so in that case you will move out of the country to achieve that? And perhaps go to Iran? The mullahs will like you.

	02-01-2005 01:44									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor I think Berz nails it. Many people could be attracted by Mac's simplicity, and may want to switch from PC to Macs. However they don't want to invest heavily into something they don't know.

This theory fails miserably, though, if you look at the real world. Many, maybe even most eductational computers (at least through high school) are Macs. Few or no people go through school without exposure to Macs. Most hate them, and we don't see people rushing to buy a Mac as soon as they leave school.

	02-01-2005 01:47									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Call me by my real name. Fez is no longer used around here except by the people who want to create problems and I now direct those people to ming. Apple is still losing.

Your threats do not intimidate me, Fez.

quote: Good, so in that case you will move out of the country to achieve that? And perhaps go to Iran? The mullahs will like you.

	02-01-2005 01:48									#59
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And what is "gog"?

"Therefore, son of man, prophesy against Gog." - From your signature!

	02-01-2005 01:52									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo And what is "gog"? "Therefore, son of man, prophesy against Gog." - From your signature!

A prophecied leader, yet to come, that will lead a failed full-scale invasion of Israel.

But that's whole another thread.