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FUKCOV - Former United Kingdom Colony of Virginia
Dec 2000
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Originally posted by Giancarlo
dead companies like Apple. |
And you think its bad that companies die? Dead companies are part and parcel of the capitalist system, the failures in the struggle for survival of the fittest, out of whose rotting corpses new blooms arise, the blooms of growth and innovation. It is YOU who would deny this supremer genius of capitalism, you commie.
As for your opposition to Agathon, dont pretend you dont know this old commmie game, pretnend fighting between factions, an attempt to divert us freedom lovers from the death struggle.
And it is you, in your denunciation of speculators who join together with third world antisemites that like the ex PM of Malaysia, and KGB agents like Putin.
Long live the Orange Revolution! Long live the free market!! Long live speculation, and economics!
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Giancarlo
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Originally posted by lord of the mark
And you think its bad that companies die? Dead companies are part and parcel of the capitalist system, the failures in the struggle for survival of the fittest, out of whose rotting corpses new blooms arise, the blooms of growth and innovation. It is YOU who would deny this supremer genius of capitalism, you commie. |
Oh since when did I say it wasn't bad? In Apple's case it would be a welcomed thing because Apple stinks and is a rotten company that deserves a timely death. I'm not against this. It is a good thing bad products get out of the market, just as bad oysters get out of my system.
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As for your opposition to Agathon, dont pretend you dont know this old commmie game, pretnend fighting between factions, an attempt to divert us freedom lovers from the death struggle. |
You don't know anything about freedom.
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And it is you, in your denunciation of speculators who join together with third world antisemites that like the ex PM of Malaysia, and KGB agents like Putin. |
You should rather join Putin because you seem to be a lot like him.
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Long live the Orange Revolution! Long live the free market!! Long live speculation, and economics! |
Nice try, spy.
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Asher
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Nov 1999
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Originally posted by lord of the mark
Stock analysts attempt to evaluate stocks by forecasting companys cash flows |
They also exist to tell you when to buy stock when it's going to go up.
If they did it based on forecasted income, there's no rational explanation for Apple's surge in stock price. Period. There's no way Apple's income can match the increase in stock price.
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Oh, and if you are better at this sort of thing than professional analysts, you should be rich. |
I'm not saying I'm better than them, I'm saying they exist to tell people when to buy stock when it's going up. And Apple's stock is going to go up for a bit more, since the world is in this warm, fuzzy place with Apple and the iPod right now, just like they were with the dot-coms in the late 90s.
The stock is overvalued, which means it will crash hard at some point, but the stock will go up until then, which is why many analysis say to buy it.
Not all analysts say to buy it anyway, the latest Fortune magazine warned that the Apple stock was overvalued, for instance.
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lord of the mark
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FUKCOV - Former United Kingdom Colony of Virginia
Dec 2000
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Originally posted by Asher
From your own article, you just discredited yourself...
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Despite the stock's strong performance in 2004, Wall Street analysts still have a mixed opinion on the stock. According to Thomson/First Call, eleven analysts have Apple rated a "buy" or "strong buy" while 12 have it rated a "hold." |
See? Most analysts say not to buy it.
Why? It's clearly overvalued.
Most say to "hold" it, which means you bought it when the price was lower than it is now. They don't recommend buying at the current price.
When you bought it at a substantially lower price than it is now, when it starts to go down you can get out of it quickly. Amazingly, virtually everyone will think like that, causing a crash in the stock.
Mark my words, it will happen.
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A hold doesnt mean sell. Sell means sell. If you KNOW its going to go down, you issue a sell recommendation. Hold means it roughly fairly priced, so it doesnt warrant a buy OR a sell (since there are transaction costs)
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Asher
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Calgary, Alberta
Nov 1999
time: 22:36
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Originally posted by lord of the mark
youve never heard of a sell recommendation? |
Don't be pedantic...a natural corollary of telling people when to buy to make money would be when to sell as well...
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A hold doesnt mean sell. Sell means sell. If you KNOW its going to go down, you issue a sell recommendation. Hold means it roughly fairly priced, so it doesnt warrant a buy OR a sell (since there are transaction costs) |
Thanks Ace! Good thing you're here bringing the obvious clarity to this thread.
I didn't say anything about selling Apple shares. I just said it's overvalued. The people who say "hold" also think it's overvalued, but it's worth the risk to see if it'll keep going up (but not on the accord of the company's performance, if they already think it's overvalued). They're saying "hold" because you already bought the stock. If you sell it when it starts going down, you'll still make money (but everyone's actions while doing this will cause a crash), but if it keeps going up first, all the better. "hold" means they don't think it'll keep going up, or it's too risky to issue a "buy" since it's overvalued as it is...
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Saying a company will fall eventually is stupid. Of course it will. It's inevitable. |
First, I disagree.
Second, I didn't say the company will fall, I said the stock will crash. Very different things.
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lord of the mark
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FUKCOV - Former United Kingdom Colony of Virginia
Dec 2000
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Originally posted by Asher
Don't be pedantic...a natural corollary of telling people when to buy to make money would be when to sell as well...
Thanks Ace! Good thing you're here bringing the obvious clarity to this thread.
I didn't say anything about selling Apple shares. I just said it's overvalued. The people who say "hold" also think it's overvalued, but it's worth the risk to see if it'll keep going up (but not on the accord of the company's performance, if they already think it's overvalued). They're saying "hold" because you already bought the stock. If you sell it when it starts going down, you'll still make money (but everyone's actions while doing this will cause a crash), but if it keeps going up first, all the better. "hold" means they don't think it'll keep going up, or it's too risky to issue a "buy" since it's overvalued as it is...
Lord Nuclear:
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Saying a company will fall eventually is stupid. Of course it will. It's inevitable. |
First, I disagree.
Second, I didn't say the company will fall, I said the stock will crash. Very different things. |
If you know when its going down, you want to sell NOW even whatever price you bought it at. Since you make less by holding. Hold, as a general rule, does NOT mean a stock is going down, it means its equally likely to move either way, or not likely to move significantly either way.
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at this thread, and 
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Saying a company will fall eventually is stupid. Of course it will. It's inevitable.
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