02-01-2005 00:27									#1
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we'll try this again...

pbem, meeting one particular night out of the week to bang out a few dozen turns.

any takers?

	02-01-2005 03:38									#2
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What night? And when you say night - what times are you referring to?

	02-01-2005 10:51									#3
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evenings eastern time. i've monday nights off after nine. jon miller's up for some action, too.

	02-01-2005 21:01									#4
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I suppose I could be convinced to play a game on monday nights. I couldn't guarantee EVERY monday night, but some at least... after 8pm central time (even earlier would be fine if there's another day in the week you can make it earlier)

	02-01-2005 21:23									#5
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Monday sounds good to me. As does having Jon involved.

	03-01-2005 00:22									#6
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four hours trying to get an MP game off the other night sold him on PBEM.

	03-01-2005 01:14									#7
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How about starting with us 4, this monday? Four is a good number for this sort of game - more and you'll have decreasing likelihood of actually getting off fast turn sessions.

Another question - what method of connection will we use? I suggest either MSN messenger (or similar), or IRC... I have accounts on all of the major IM programs, but MSN seems to be the program of choice among 'Poly folks ...

	03-01-2005 01:16									#8
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And - what sort of game are you looking at, in terms of world details?

Pangea?

Small?

60% water?

Middle-of-road, or random, age/climate/temp?

	03-01-2005 02:44									#9
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Snoop - so many questions - so little time.

I would suggest small, pangaea. Monarch.

And do we want 4 Ai's in with us. I think not. But how about random civs. That would be interesting.

As to chat places - why don't we just use poly. I think I have msn messenger. To be honest - I hardly use it.

And I am OK for Monday evening.

Mmmmm .... just finishing my eggnog and whiskey - Canadian whiskey I may add.

	03-01-2005 08:58									#10
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From my experience, you can't do (well) a fast-turn game through Email. Yahoo! and other free email servers often delay emails for five minutes or more; not a big deal for a one-a-day, but when you're trying to do a lot of turns in a short time period you need direct sends.

I've had games where I got 15-20 turns (in a 2 player game) per hour done (early game turns) through direct sends; I don't think a 2 player game could get more than 5 turns done in an hour with email sends. A four player game would be even worse.

You can use IRC, or any of the IM programs to do direct sends - as well as FTP either through a common FTP server or direct FTP connections to each other if we set them up properly...

I'd rather not have AI civs. Random is fine.

Edit: I suppose we could post the turns via attaching them to posts - but that does not have the advantage of notifying you when the person before you in the turn cycle sends them to you. That would slow it down a bit, especially if (as I presume) we do not spend 100% of our monday nights waiting for turns (Although I lead a pretty boring life, and usually spend monday evenings watching football or, now that football is over, playing civ )

	03-01-2005 10:43									#11
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i've got msn and AIM. i'll PM jon miller, and let him know what is up. about the setup, though... i like the direct send idea, but what about four of us with two civs each?

	03-01-2005 11:02									#12
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I'd rather not, but i will if the consensus is for 2 civs.

2 civs can be fun, but it would slow the game down a lot, and it doesn't really make it that much more interesting in the long run. Just means that someone who gets lucky and has both start next to each other either is a target (like me in my 2x4 game) or has a huge advantage, if he doesn't advertise it (*dumb dumb dumb me*) ...

Also, you have the problem that you have to pick a bigger map, and that makes the game progress slower than it would on an equivalent ratio of size to civs with 4 players ...

	04-01-2005 05:12									#13
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I was thinking this over again, and I may be wrong. 2 civs each will in some senses speed things up - faster tech progress, and we'll each have 2x as many military types so we'll have roughly the same progress. Of course, the 2x as large map will have a slower tech rate, but not 2x slower i don't think.

What do the rest of you think??

	04-01-2005 05:31									#14
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Oh - and my msn nick is (surprise) snoopy369@yahoo.com

	04-01-2005 07:55									#15
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You almost home sb?

	05-01-2005 22:03									#16
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sorry... fell off the side of the earth... we'll start next week, should we come to an agreement on what to do.

	06-01-2005 23:07									#17
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I say for the first round - let's go with a single civ.

And may I suggest we pick civs - and no agricultural civs allowed.

If that approach is adopted, Chinese please.

Now snoopy - you are going to have to be patient with me regarding this direct send stuff. I am up for it - but haven't the faintest idea how to do it.

sb - damned thing about the earth. They keep trying to convince us its round, and then someone goes and falls of the edge. Go figure.

	07-01-2005 00:21									#18
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Tracked down my old MSN name. I am Beta4000.

	07-01-2005 10:56									#19
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I think I still have a Beta4000 around somewhere, but everything is VHS/DVD now...

ba-dum-bump

	07-01-2005 22:18									#20
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Maybe its time for a name change - between that and the various Beta versions of software, I feel like I'm either hopelessly out of date, or simply a trial version.

No dammit - I'm a real cyber entity.

	07-01-2005 22:18									#21
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ching. i'll pm jonmiller tonight when i get home from work. we'll try to get things rolling then.

	08-01-2005 05:43									#22
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I prefer not to dismiss agricultural civs but that's just me ... but I like random

	17-01-2005 11:54									#23
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So any action on this

	18-01-2005 08:50									#24
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not as of yet. things are still a little too busy, and i've yet to email jonmiller about this.

	18-01-2005 10:57									#25
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so there could still be a hope that this actually gets started

and what has Jon Miller to do with it?

	18-01-2005 21:22									#26
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I want in!

JM

	18-01-2005 21:33									#27
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tomorrow would be good, as would any day but sunday (and maybe friday)

JM

	31-01-2005 10:34									#28
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duly noted. now taking suggestions for settings.

	31-01-2005 13:59									#29
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hmm, somethnig between monarch and demi-deity

random most anything else, but raging hords for barbarians

Jon Miller

	31-01-2005 20:51									#30
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monarch/emperor pls ... i want at least ONE happy citizen