05-01-2005 04:19									#31
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seems a few have third reich here, any one interested perhaps in a pbem game?

i know there are some software out there that helps do this nowadays .

any interested parties please psot here and if we get the interested we can start the first 'POLY' Campaign.

	05-01-2005 11:01									#32
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Aw bummer, my copy isn't here where I live right now, it's at parents'.

	05-01-2005 11:03									#33
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Ah Gettysburg, got that too. Two of my favorites back then were Crete and ... Alesia.

	05-01-2005 20:23									#34
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AH Kingmaker, a voice from the past. A good game.
Having a twin brother made it easy to play the old board games. We used to have most of the old Avalon Hill games. Most of the historical games got old quick since they were historical games and sometimes a bit one sided. Like Gettysburg. As the south you had to get lucky on a quick attack and blocking northern reinforcements for any chance to win, so the game was usually decided in the first few turns and there wasn't much variety.


Tactics II, Blitzkrieg, Jutland, Midway were some of our favorites. But we played a lot of different ones.

	06-01-2005 03:22									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Cookie Monster Third Reich, Third Reich Advanced, ETO and PTO both by SPI, Panzerblitz, Panzer Leader, Arab Israeli Wars, Turning Point Stalingrad.... I have some others but can't remember. I grew up the only person I knew who played these games. All my friends were much into sports or other activities to want to play complex games like these with me. $%^& they even thought that Risk was way too complicated!

That was the problem with board war games. Most were pretty bad for solitaire, and hard to find folks who would play. I convinced a neighbor kid to play Afrika Corps, but he was no enthusiast. I played in a high school war games club, but after school time was limited, and you couldnt leave the games around. The other problem with board war games, you cant just "hit save". Of course the ease of scanning the map, and the ability to implement house rules were advantages.

	06-01-2005 03:23									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Shogun Gunner Awesome thread!!!! Oh, I miss those days. I have about 100 SPI games .

You must have been a subscriber, no?

	06-01-2005 03:25									#37
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In grad school somebody had Kingmaker. Really one of the coolest games - went way beyond your typical wargame, to incorporate all kinds of feudal politics. And it looked really kewl.

	06-01-2005 06:41									#38
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark You must have been a subscriber, no?

My Dad was the subscriber, I was the free-loading beneficiary, yes?

Before my Dad headed over to Saudi Arabia in 2000, he dropped off several boxes containing the games and magazines at my house.

Reading Strategy and Tactics was great. You could learn history, military strategies, diplomacy for every era. It was cool how they covered topics that were relevant to the game supplied with the magazine.

Do you have any of the old games or magazines?

	06-01-2005 07:02									#39
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seems kingmaker was a popular game, i might have to try ebay to see if any around.

	06-01-2005 08:32									#40
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Yeah I remember I used to want to get my hands on Kingmaker. I don't call the title of this magazine but it would have articles on tips, tactics, and so on for games, and they would have terrific articles on Kingmaker from time to time.

I'm surprised nobody mentioned Startroops board game, that was a lot of fun. Especially being able to attack with minature nuclear warheads and battling it out in those Bugs' tunnels.

There was this game I believe it's called Eternal Empire or something, it was very similar to that PC game Star Wars: Rebellion. You had characters which could lead units or perform missions and at same time you had to deal with micromanagement of different planets. There were also random events which made the game a lot of fun. It doesn't seem to have became popular although - one of those hidden gems I guess.

EDIT: Startroopers not Startroops. You know, Robert Heinlein's novel...

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	06-01-2005 09:15									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Shogun Gunner My Dad was the subscriber, I was the free-loading beneficiary, yes? Before my Dad headed over to Saudi Arabia in 2000, he dropped off several boxes containing the games and magazines at my house. Reading Strategy and Tactics was great. You could learn history, military strategies, diplomacy for every era. It was cool how they covered topics that were relevant to the game supplied with the magazine. Do you have any of the old games or magazines?

well id have to think which of the SPI games I still own came from S&T. I have Sinai, and that DIDNT come from the mag. Red Star/White Star also didnt (though I dont think i have that any more). Im pretty sure I have Oil War, and that DID come from S&T. I think I have 6th Fleet, and not sure where that came from.

I dont think I have any of the mags.

If youre interested in the history, military strat, etc you should know that Jim Dunnigan runs a web site called strategypage. It mainly covers contemporary matters, and is somewhat on the hawkish side, so be forewarned.

	06-01-2005 20:32									#42
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Kingmaker is a silly game, best played while you're high, or at least drunk.

	06-01-2005 22:31									#43
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This is a bit OT, but I got Settlers of Catan for Christmas from my brother "in law" (we're not married!).
It's really good, and I was wondering if anyone else at 'poly had played it/heard of it.

	06-01-2005 23:21									#44
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I don't know anything about Settlers of Catan, but I have run across an old thread about it in the "Classic Games (Civilization/Boardgame, Colonization, MoM)" forum.

	06-01-2005 23:40									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Kingmaker is a silly game, best played while you're high, or at least drunk.

That's usually how I played it.
Silly, tho? No, not at all.

	07-01-2005 00:34									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Kingmaker is a silly game, best played while you're high, or at least drunk.

Urban Ranger's posts are silly. best read while you're high, or at least drunk.

	07-01-2005 13:11									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Aramis That's usually how I played it. Silly, tho? No, not at all.

It's just slightly less luck dependent than Risk. Like you had the Constable of the Tower of London, and you were going to grab Henry during your move. Unfortunately, just before your turn, plague struck London and killed off Henry.

	07-01-2005 19:19									#48
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Well if anyone lives in the eastern US, this might interest you:

http://www.prezcon.com/
Charlottesville, VA. Sometime lat Feb If I recall...

	07-01-2005 22:08									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Kingmaker is a silly game, best played while you're high, or at least drunk.

China

	08-01-2005 03:16									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger It's just slightly less luck dependent than Risk. Like you had the Constable of the Tower of London, and you were going to grab Henry during your move. Unfortunately, just before your turn, plague struck London and killed off Henry.

Yeah, I forgot about things like that, it's been so long. Still I recall in college getting three or four people together to play--loads of good backstabbing going on.

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Thanks GameGeek.

I'm off for a quick peek.

	12-01-2005 07:28									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger It's just slightly less luck dependent than Risk. Like you had the Constable of the Tower of London, and you were going to grab Henry during your move. Unfortunately, just before your turn, plague struck London and killed off Henry.

Historical accuracy trumping game balance?

	12-01-2005 10:02									#53
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Being so random, it's great as a social game. Somebody invented Drink Maker, e.g. chug when a royal is killed. I think that's amusing.

	13-01-2005 00:19									#54
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Squad Leader was my first. Still have many of them, but have also upgraded to computerized versions.

To Suie & bfg9000: Greetings from Hazleton, PA.

	13-01-2005 00:45									#55
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Purely as a game i always found Kingmaker a bit suspect. Too many random events which affect the game in a big way, combat was weak and i remember we evolved lots of house rules to get around various flaws.

Where it really shines though is as a multiplayer experience. Get the right bunch of sociopaths, liars and people of generally dubious morality and it's great. The player interaction overcoming the shortfalls. Get the wrong group of people (and i often have) and it's tedious.

In the same category i'd add Dune (Avalon Hill), Warrior Knights (Games Workshop), Down with the King (AH) and Diplomacy.

If your opponents have no social skills or sense of fun then i stick to Third Reich and it's equivalents.

	13-01-2005 12:49									#56
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Down with the King is more fun than Kingmaker. However I lost my copy a long time ago and haven't been able to find another copy.

	13-01-2005 19:08									#57
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there is an ASL tourneyment this weekend in Maryland

I will probably go for a day or two

JM

	14-01-2005 09:29									#58
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I used to have all the Squad Leader stuff. Actually just like the first 6 expansions. I never had time to really play the game though because I had my hands full with Star Fleet Battles.

	18-01-2005 11:49									#59
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i had the original squad leader and the next two expansion... i gave up playing it as it was becoming too tedious and involved , i prefer the grand strategy game

	18-01-2005 19:54									#60
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Better than kingmaker was JUNTA. Talk about a great game for a drunk fest.

Or for the more twisted
"Escape from Auschwitz" where you choose to be one of masses of Jews trying to escape or the Nazis trying to keep them in.