06-04-2005 15:10									#151
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Its funny how huge a change they made to 'thieving' from Daggerfall to Morrowind.

In Daggerfall it was too tricky and unforgiving(like how ALL guards in all towns in the game world knew you were a thief the instance you got caught, and chased you on sight).

In Morrowind its rather odd how as long as your 'sneaking' you can lift stuff from under a persons nose, and even if its obviously gone, you wont get challanged.

If they fix it for Oblivion it would add quite a bit to the game imho. Sort of something along the lines of a 'Theif'(looking glass game) type experience - something a bit clever than they have used so far in the ElderScrolls games.

	06-04-2005 15:28									#152
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I love stealing . but I felt my theif type character just wasn't as strong as my fighter type character. So i preferred the latter.

But I enjoyed the thieves guild quests and morag tong quests.

	06-04-2005 18:59									#153
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quote: Originally posted by child of Thor Its funny how huge a change they made to 'thieving' from Daggerfall to Morrowind.

I hope they change how alchemy works in Oblivion. They should just give you a big container to throw all of your components into. Then it tells you the different potions you can make based on what is inside the container. You select the potions you want to make and they are made. Very quick and easy. No more moving the slider back and forth to find the exact combination you need.


Alchemy Tip: Gather lots of Bloat, ASh Yam, and Netch Leather. Make a Fortify Intelligence. drink it. Make another and drink it. Repeat until your Intelligence is in the high thousands. Then make all of your other potions. You will make some incredible potions that can make you rich if you sell them or invincible of you use them..

	07-04-2005 21:19									#154
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I agree that there are far too many ways to ummm..... cheat your way in the game. Still i find it's now part of the fun for me to properly role play the game and avoid as many 'cheats' as i can(its not easy!).

Hopefully these gaps will get a little tighter in Oblivion, as having a good gaming challange is probably as important as having a large game world to explore and interact with.

I've got the Morrowind bug again

	08-04-2005 18:14									#155
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I have this game on both Xbox and PC and it is like night and day. It is so much more difficult to play this game on PC with all of the point-and-click necessary. Xbox is a perfect platform for this game. If you dont have Xbox version, get it. It will increase your enjoyment x10.

	08-04-2005 18:40									#156
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@ bfg9000, yes i do have the xbox version(game of the year edition - with the expansions), my pc's are not powerfull enough to run the pc version.

And i agree it makes a perfect playing experience on xbox, one of the deepest games on console for sure

The downside of the console version is not being able to play with some of the excellent Mods fans have made for the game

	09-04-2005 01:11									#157
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quote: Originally posted by bfg9000 I have this game on both Xbox and PC and it is like night and day. It is so much more difficult to play this game on PC with all of the point-and-click necessary. Xbox is a perfect platform for this game. If you dont have Xbox version, get it. It will increase your enjoyment x10.

it probably wouldn't increase my enjoyment to get the Xbox version, considering I don't have an X-box. . I'd just be looking at a box I can do nothing with.

	11-04-2005 21:11									#158
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One of the NPCs in Balmora, an Orc, somehow fell into that river going through town. He just standed there in the river. So I created a ranged 'Frenzy Humanoid" spell and cast it on him while standing on the bridge above him. Then I shot one arrow into him. Now, every time I stop in Balmora, I make sure to walk by the river to see the crazy orc that splashes and swims around like crazy...

	12-04-2005 15:02									#159
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@ bfg9000

yeah i had the same thing, but it was one of the guards instead. I guess he fell in after a hard night in the corner club or some other bar

He still gives me the noramal grumpy dialogue if i speak to him, i guess he's acting normal to try to save face or something?

I've decided when i've finished up as many of the fighter guild and Mages guild quests(already done 99% of the thieves guilds and Imperial legion quests), then i'm going to join one of the houses. not sure yet which of the three i'll go for?

	12-04-2005 15:21									#160
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I uninstalled Morrowind today. I last played it Feb 2004, so it was time to say goodbye to it.

	12-04-2005 16:17									#161
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I just installed it yesterday. Good tag Skanky! - a new challenger enters the ring!

I just wandered about seeing some sights in the starting area. I have a Nord warrior because they look cool, and because I'm desperate to impress Child of Thor.
I did the quest that involved spying on Fargoth, even though I had a pretty good idea where the loot would be anyway - it was typically computer gamey. I am tempted to go and kill the smugglers, but also like the thought of chancing across a cave I haven't been in before at a high level and finding it full of first level smugglers awaiting slaughter.

	12-04-2005 17:30									#162
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at the duke

Well i'll only be impressed if you can play this character with these rules:

1. without resorting to any spells except healing types and mark/recall/lock/unlock to help you progress in the game.
(i.e you can cast other spells/use other scrolls but not for example in combat where it can help you)

2. only use + keep one magically enhanced weapon or armour item at a time(and love it as a prized possesion!).

3. set the difficulty setting(does it have one on the PC version?) to atleast +70

4. Don't use cheesy cheat methods, of which there are many in Morrowind - uber spells/enchantments are out

5. only use one save per mission - if you die, start back at the begining - if you keep dieing its too hard for you so do something else until your tougher

6. try to roll-play as much as you can. e.g when doing thief type missions - you must try to stay in sneak mode untill you've completed the mission and left the area unseen. If someone sees you - your not a good enough theif yet and need to improve your sneak(or use magic to help stay undetected). etc

this is how i play, and it makes the game much more interesting(read difficult) i find

hmmm maybe i should ask have you played before duke o' york? as this may be a little tough if not

	12-04-2005 21:20									#163
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No, I messed about on my friend's X-box, but this is my first proper game.
Maybe I should try to find someone easier to impress.
Like DrSpike! If I can find all the cheesiest loopholes and general dishonest uberness, then maybe that would do.

	13-04-2005 04:33									#164
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lol

i have to say i like the PC version, and just don't mind the interface at all ... but us PC gamers get used to a certain style

And there are ... advantages to the PC game other than the mod.

	13-04-2005 14:40									#165
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yes Dr.Spike may be your man for this first real go

Still if you are getting that feeling that after lv9 the game is getting a bit easy(which is starting to feel a little boring), then i'll be available to give you any 'Iron man' playing advice you like

Its a fine game to loose many hours in i find, hope you enjoy it as much as i do

	13-04-2005 14:46									#166
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I feel the game is plenty challenging enough once you get into the expansions.

One word: Gaenor.

	13-04-2005 14:51									#167
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yes the expansions do look very tough, i've watched my gf play them - she's still miles ahead of me in the whole game, and i've yet to finish the main games story or venture into the expansion area's. Looking forward to it though

	13-04-2005 16:13									#168
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Cool!
Then she can be the backseat driver while you muddle your way through sections she finished months ago.
I may have another dip into the murky waters of Morrowind this evening, but I've got NWN to play too!

	13-04-2005 16:24									#169
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quote: Originally posted by duke o' york Cool! Then she can be the backseat driver while you muddle your way through sections she finished months ago. I may have another dip into the murky waters of Morrowind this evening, but I've got NWN to play too!

Well she more likely just gives me grief to get of the xbox so she can play Harvest moon or Animal Crossing on the game cube. Its the problem with our current 'share the big tv with the consoles' strategy

Wasn't a problem recently where i'd been mostly into MTW or carrying on my Xcom campaign......now i got Morrowind(xbox) bug, well lets see what happens

Were fairly organised about it, so i should get a good 5-6 hrs of morrowind in myself tonight

	13-04-2005 16:30									#170
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Have they not released a patch against that bug yet? Sort of like a nicotine patch, but for people who want to explore from their armchair.

	15-04-2005 02:45									#171
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I'm now head of the fighters guild and the thieves guild.

All i will say(for duke's benfit), is that to acheive both AND manage to do 99% of all the quests requires a bit of restraint+patience - you will feel when something is out of place

I've also just realised that advancing in the mages guild is proving the hardest of the lot so far. Probably becasue i'm not playing a magic user, so dont get regular magic using experience. leveling up is requireing alot of use of the magical skills trainers - still atleast it is something to spend my obscene ammount of money on(they really need to fix this excess money problem in Oblivion imho).

@ duke o' york - if you are playing this on xbox for the long term, and think you'll like it enough to stick with it(for the hundreds of hours of available gameplay), then just make sure your playing the GOTY edition, its got the two expansions on it and some bug fixing(apparantly).
If you start a character in regualr plain Morrowind - you cant transfer it to the GOTY version. I've seen Morrowind GOTY in the shops for around £20 recently, if you dont have that version.

	15-04-2005 06:04									#172
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quote: Originally posted by child of Thor I'm now head of the fighters guild and the thieves guild.

That's pretty impressive On the PC it's impossible, i believe - tho I roleplayed enough that i wasn't willing to do so even if I could have.

quote: (they really need to fix this excess money problem in Oblivion imho).

I dunno - in my games, there wasn't an obscene amount of money available until near the end. Well, maybe 2/3 of the way through. Before that, i always had a lack of money compared to the skil training I wanted to do. (But maybe that's where the money went?) Certain skills - alchemy, enchanting, security, stealth - need training (alchemy only up to 45-50, the others much higher), at least in my playing style, to be ever useful. And the mage skills at high levels all need training, unless you're playing a specialist mage - otherwise you spend hours casting fleabite or whatever just to advance in the mage's guild. And that gets *expensive* especially when you're going for 80 ...

	15-04-2005 06:29									#173
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the money isn't that unbalanced. Unless you think there should be no skill training. I admit, I do this too much. I'm addicted to 5 X multipliers . There should be more level advancement through adventuring, not through training.

And I rarely enchant things myself. I pay to have it enchanted.

	15-04-2005 13:10									#174
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quote: Originally posted by snoopy369 That's pretty impressive On the PC it's impossible, i believe - tho I roleplayed enough that i wasn't willing to do so even if I could have.

Not so, and I'm not sure where people get the idea it is impossible from. I say this as someone who was leader of the Fighters and Thieves guild at the same time on the PC version.

	15-04-2005 16:18									#175
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CoT: No, I'm playing the PC version (original, sans patches or anything). I've got an agility of 10 already, despite starting at 5, so that's not too bad.

I'd like loads of cash though, if anyone has any hints on money-spinning ideas for level 1 characters.
Doubt I'll be able to play much this weekend though, but I've stolen a tasty-looking magic axe from a chest against a house in Balmora, and am very keen to start using it. The guards didn't seem too bothered by my thievery. Or was it just that they didn't spot me?
And which House has the best houses you can get? (I'm keen to get on the property ladder as soon as possible)

	15-04-2005 16:45									#176
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Alchemy.

	15-04-2005 18:42									#177
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quote: Originally posted by child of Thor I've seen Morrowind GOTY in the shops for around £20 recently, if you dont have that version.

I bought mine for $15 on ebay.

	15-04-2005 21:36									#178
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Bloody show-offs.



I presume that the disks were in good condition. All my eBay purchases have been fine, but I've heard stories....

	15-04-2005 22:24									#179
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quote: Originally posted by duke o' york edit: And which House has the best houses you can get? (I'm keen to get on the property ladder as soon as possible)

Unlike Daggerfall, you cant actually buy properties in Morrowind, but you can get them for free by killing the current occupiers(you can be a mad axe-man, but there are mission based opportunities that come up to empty a cave/house of its owners) - then you just move in. The other option is to join one of the Dunmer Houses and get a stronghold built for you(i've yet to do this).

The property i like best is in Caldera - its the upstairs section of Shenks Shovel(a bar). I've taken all the available rooms on the top floor and filled them with various items to make it functional base and homely
You dont have to kill anyone either, just be carefull not to barter with Shenk downstairs - he will think any item you have is his and attack you.

To make money simply do the many missions available to you in all the guilds, and while reaching your objectives dont forget to look around and explore all the nooks and crannys - many interesting(and expensive!) items can be found in those caves

	16-04-2005 00:00									#180
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quote: Originally posted by duke o' york CoT: No, I'm playing the PC version (original, sans patches or anything). I've got an agility of 10 already, despite starting at 5, so that's not too bad. I'd like loads of cash though, if anyone has any hints on money-spinning ideas for level 1 characters. Doubt I'll be able to play much this weekend though, but I've stolen a tasty-looking magic axe from a chest against a house in Balmora, and am very keen to start using it. The guards didn't seem too bothered by my thievery. Or was it just that they didn't spot me? And which House has the best houses you can get? (I'm keen to get on the property ladder as soon as possible)

usually they don't care if you steal from the chests outdoors against buildings (though sometimes they seem to :confused)

Stealing inside is a different story. It's best to be in sneak mode (or use telekinisis)