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asleepathewheel
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listening too long to one song
Mar 2002
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12 year olds commit sex offenses all the time. Hell, technically any time two 12 year olds have sex they are commiting a crime. technically speaking.
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asleepathewheel
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listening too long to one song
Mar 2002
time: 00:16
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Originally posted by Straybow
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Originally posted by asleepathewheel
The 12 year old brain may or may not be capable of having the requisite mens rea for murder. Just because you think you remember what you were when you were 12 doesn't mean you can generalize that to everyone. Clearly statements like that indicate a lack of understanding and experience with children.
If I had more time I would post links to studies of the juvenile brain that show the lack of development in areas which are thought to control impulses. I have a slew of information and articles on the topic, but unfortunately they are at my office. |
That's assinine. Raping "at least twice" and beating "several times" over a week isn't an impulse control problem. You might claim that for the first push or strike, but c'mon.
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I was pointing out that the juvenile brain functions differently than adult brains. I don't know whether or not that plays a role in this case. Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. I don't know, you don't know. The difference is that I want to find out why he did what he did (if he indeed did do it), not just lock him up for life.
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asleepathewheel
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listening too long to one song
Mar 2002
time: 00:16
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The parents are a huge problem. The schools are a huge problem. No one takes responsibility for many of the kids, many of my clients, and is it a suprise when they get in trouble?
The schools in Indy are now having children arrested for getting school fights.
A school fight will get you a battery and a disorderly conduct charge! We can't or won't deal with the problem (limit liability) so lets have the police and judicial system fix it for us! Haha.
As far as this boy is concerned, who knows what happened (if anything) to him to make him like this.
I have a client who was molested at 6 by a man and at 7 by a woman. Then he matures much much faster than his peers and by age 10 he is functional. Throw in a low IQ-~80 and you have a nightmare. His mother got him help when he was 11-12 and he hasn't done anything too terribly bad in 2 years. No guarantee of course...
Not to say kids should not be held accountable for their actions, I believe they should. But the state's idea of rehabilitation is a bandaid or a pair of cuffs, not really fixing anything.
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JimmyCracksCorn
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Macedonia - Sovereign country north of Greece.
Dec 2002
time: 05:16
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Originally posted by asleepathewheel
I was pointing out that the juvenile brain functions differently than adult brains. I don't know whether or not that plays a role in this case. Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. I don't know, you don't know. The difference is that I want to find out why he did what he did (if he indeed did do it), not just lock him up for life. |
Definately. A child's brain isn't fully formed, as far as reasoning, until maybe ages 15 or 16. Sometimes much later. Of course it varies from person to person though.
But anyways, yeah this was sick, and yeah parental upbringing had everything to do with it. When a child is good, its because their parents raised them well. When a child is bad, its because thier parents (or whoever) raised them poorly. This is across the board. The number one learning method among primates is immitation. I would bet my life that this 12 year old was beaten and raped himself at some point in his life... probably (alot) more than once. Either that, or he witnessed it happening to a sibling or close friend.
Its sad because yes, he is only 12 and his brain isn't fully formed for reasoning, and yes, it was because of his upbringing.... but still. This is how he's been raised, and its very hard to reprogram your brain from such an obvious social dysfunctionality. This poor kid will probably always be deeply disturbed and a danger to the public 
...save for some kind of rehabilitory miracle, which is unlikely.
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Dr Strangelove
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I'm a GP, and I've seen alot of what you've seen too. I think that one of the problems is that our society has attempted to make a transition from the old school of child rearing, "spare the rod and spoil the child" to a newer school without properly preparing prospective parents. We instruct people in a cursory manner with vague generalities, but don't really train them in child care. The people most affected are those with the least resources financially, emotionally, and intellectually, yet they get the fewest opportunities for training on how to rear their children. The job of preparing kids to have kids of their own falls to the public school systems, which are often hampered by resistence from public groups with hostile agendas.
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Dr Strangelove
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Pre-teens and young teenagers often have a bizarre, almost psychotic view of the way the world works. I think partly this is due to the prolonged isolation from the real world, the working world, forced upon children in the developed world in the 20th century.
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14-01-2005 19:57
). in a court of law. But despite this liberal bias, I am not unopposed to all incarceration of juveniles, some really are psychotic bastards, but I think most are just kids who get caught up in things and swept away. My job is to help those kids get back on track
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