25-01-2005 20:09									#31
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MPP's within the game are two way.

For one way agreements [much more aproative for a minor power like Spain], you have to work that out yourself, but do not inform the game about it.

Also note that the two AIs probably consider you to have a damaged rep due to the premature cancelation of the MPP with the UK.

Signing the peace treaty will not cancel your ingame MPP with Germany, so your going to automaticly declare war on the UK again next turn when the UK attacks Germany again.

quote: Originally posted by StrictlyRockers I will accept the offer of peace from the Allies as this was an unintentional mistake. I thought that I had accepted an agreement with Germany which protected me if I was attacked by the Allies, not which obligated me to ally with Germany if she was attacked by the Allies.

	26-01-2005 05:53									#32
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Save sent on.

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Beginning of turn:
PARIS goes into disorder!
Their upset about the loss of a luxary due to German bombardment.

Turned on AI manages happiness in that size 20 city [only].

Against Germany:

Bombarded German stack of Panzers in German occuplied French with Bombers that's on the border.

Damaged 3 Panzers. Looked like one of them got yellowed and the others had only a couple of HPs removed.

SPAIN declares war on us upon bombing the 1st!

ITALY declares war on us upon bombing the 1st!

Against Italy:

Attempted to disconnect the Italian resources via bombers.
Hit one [the spice?], missed the Wine.

Bombarded with Artileey that Italian unit on a Fort along the border. (Hit, looked like 1 HP damaged)

Mediteratian stack between Sardenia & those Spainish islands:
Bombarded the Battleship with Destroyers (2X hits) Down to 2/4
Attacked Battleship with my Battleship. Sunk the Italian BB
Bombared Italian cruiser. Miss
Attacked Italian cruiser with one of my cruisers. I lost my cruiser
Attacked Italian curiser with the other cruiser. Sunk the Italian cruiser.
Attacked the remaining Italian cruiser with my Battleship. Sunk the cruiser. My battleship promoted.

Summary:
Itailan loses : 1 BB, 2 Crusiers [entire fleet]
French loses : 1 Cruser.
[Remaining French fleet stack: 1 BB, 2 Cruiser, 2 Destroyers]

Against Spain:

No attacks. If you offer peace accepted, I'll accept it.

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French WW level : I currently have extra happy citizens due to Spain & Italy declaring war.

Last edited by joncnunn on 26-01-2005 at 21:54

	26-01-2005 07:39									#33
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Hey!!!! Drink your own wine

	27-01-2005 03:10									#34
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quote: Originally posted by StrictlyRockers I will accept the offer of peace from the Allies as this was an unintentional mistake. I thought that I had accepted an agreement with Germany which protected me if I was attacked by the Allies, not which obligated me to ally with Germany if she was attacked by the Allies.

If you so want, here it is - repeated in public. Either you FIGHT WITH US, or you DIE by our Panzers. Germany didn't offer you protection, so don't mock us.

	27-01-2005 07:09									#35
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We will forward your latest offer to Genral Franco and we will see what he decides will best suit the needs of the Repulblic of Span.

	28-01-2005 03:50									#36
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June 1940 - Moscow.

A date that will go down in history. The date when the mighty powers of the soviet union decided that it could no longer sit by and ignore Nazi aggression.

A few minor scermishes aloing the German border. A few other units have advanced into German teritory, although no major offensive.

-English offer military alliance against Germany and Rubber. - Accepted
-Spanish declare war on the mighty red army, a mistake they will live to regret.
-Italy declares war on the red army. They will pay.
-Atil. Bombarbardment of horses near warsaw. Improvements destroyed
-Cavalry destroy road near Memel.
-Single inf. attackes Galati and dies.
-Bombard near Galati - Failed.
-Inf near Helsinki bombarded. x3 (atil/atil/bomber). 1hp each.
-Tank destorys inf near Helsinki
-Bomb. near Cluj - Failed
-Bomb. near Cluj - Road destoryed.
-Bomb. near Konigsburg - Road destoryed.
-Bomb. near Helsinki - Inf damaged. 1hp.

Game sent to Germany.

	28-01-2005 04:46									#37
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Uh, oh, the Ruskies attack. This is going to be so Much FUN!

Fights this turn (complete):

• Mysterious sinking of 2 Russian Cruiser boats near Constanta. 1 of the German U-Boots was promoted.
  
• Attack Sarajevo. Dutch lose: 1 Infantry, 2 Riflemen. Germans lose: 1 Panzer. 1 Panzer promoted. Sarajevo captured.
  
• Attack Belgrade. Dutch lose: 1 Infantry, 2 Riflemen. Belgrade captured.
  
• Attack Banja-Luka. Dutch lose: 1 Infantry. Banja-Luka captured.
  
• Stumble upon, and sink 2 Submarines in the Baltic Sea. Probably Russian ones.
  
• Bomb an English Transport ship near Amsterdam. Second run sinks it.
  
• Bomb an English Cruiser near Kiel taking 1hp off. Sink it with an U-Boot, which barely escapes (1hp left).
  
• Bomb another English Cruiser near Kiel, this time with Artillery from the coast. It is then sunk by the Bismarck.
  
• Find, and attack English HMS Ramillies (battleship). Sunk by Admiral Hipper (cruiser), after losing an U-Boot.
  
• Attack an English Cruiser north of Trondheim. U-Boot lost.
  
• Atlantic pack hunting (totals). Germans lose: 5 U-Boots, English lose: BB HMS Nelson, 2 Transports, 1 Destroyer.
  
• Attack Paris. French lose: 6 Infantry, 1 Flak, 1 Artillery (destroyed). Germans lose: 4 Panzers. Paris captured.
  
• Bombard HMS Latona with Artillery (2 shots). 1 Bomber lost to a Fighter. 1 Figter shot down by Bomber. Latona sunk by third Bomber.
  
• Attack Cherbourg. 1 Infantry destroyed. Cherbourg captured.
  
• Attack Russian units near Odessa. Russians lose: 1 Infantry, 1 Tank, 1 Rifleman.
  
• Attack Russian units near Lasi. Russians lose: 1 Infantry, 1 Rifleman.
  
• Attack, and kill, Russian Cavalry near Memel.

Last edited by Modo44 on 28-01-2005 at 07:24

	28-01-2005 05:17									#38
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The French Parliment passes unanimously a resoultion commending Comrade Stalin for joining the fight against the dastardly Germans.



We also strongly sugest you bombard and disconnect the German oil.

Last edited by joncnunn on 28-01-2005 at 19:51

	28-01-2005 06:06									#39
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Comrads! Will do what I can, I want that oil out the way as much as anyone, just have to get some units into the area. Im tippin there will be a bit of defence there by now. Be sure to cause a diversion.....

	28-01-2005 06:17									#40
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Closing the turn, I noticed something just now. Why did the USSR sign an alliance with Sweden? Did the AI approach you? If not, this is in violation of the game rules.

EDIT: Turn sent.

Last edited by Modo44 on 28-01-2005 at 06:39

	28-01-2005 06:40									#41
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Sorry, I wasnt approcahed, I didnt realise this was a rule. I was actually only after right of passage. Just figured it didnt matter to add the other since we were both already at war. Sorry if this causes any problems.

	28-01-2005 06:53									#42
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quote: Originally posted by adamsaka Sorry, I wasnt approcahed, I didnt realise this was a rule. I was actually only after right of passage. Just figured it didnt matter to add the other since we were both already at war. Sorry if this causes any problems.

Not many, but how did the AI get an Aegis Cruiser is pretty surprising, I tell ya.

I didn't write about this, it's only in the scenario readme. Basically, the AI's represent many countries, and you could hardly sign a treaty with all of them. And, at Regent (default difficulty for scenarios) the AI is ridiculously easy to persuade. Oh well, nothing really bad happened. One more target.

	28-01-2005 07:16									#43
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Yeah sorry about that. I didn't offer/give the AI any techs, gold or other. It was just a simple signing of the paper when we were at war with a common enemy. (so there was no persuading involved)

	28-01-2005 07:21									#44
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quote: Originally posted by adamsaka Yeah sorry about that. I didn't offer/give the AI any techs, gold or other. It was just a simple signing of the paper when we were at war with a common enemy. (so there was no persuading involved)

I see. That's no problem then. I'm sure I didn't attack the Swedes, but it might be the case of a ship sinking an U-Boot by accident (or a Submarine sinking a ship?). I heard of this bug in C3C, but never experienced it before.

	28-01-2005 19:46									#45
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If a Sweedish veseel stumbled upon your sub, they'd declare war on you instantly and attack.

Naval AI is programmed to escort transports and have the escort enter the new tile first, so it would be more likely for you to lose a sub than whatever ship was used as an escort.

Which other countries are part of Sweeden in this conquest?

quote: Originally posted by Modo44 I see. That's no problem then. I'm sure I didn't attack the Swedes, but it might be the case of a ship sinking an U-Boot by accident (or a Submarine sinking a ship?). I heard of this bug in C3C, but never experienced it before.

	28-01-2005 19:58									#46
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Might have started with it. I'm not aware of any prohibition against starting with units you don't have the tech for.

Also, according to the editor, fighters can detect invisible units.

And if your sub was in the direct shortest path [modiifed for ocean/sea being faster than coast] between where an AI ship was and where it wanted to go, it wouldn't need to detect it to stumble upon.

quote: Originally posted by Modo44 Not many, but how did the AI get an Aegis Cruiser is pretty surprising, I tell ya.

	28-01-2005 20:44									#47
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Yeah, I thought something like that could have happened in the Baltic Sea. Few tiles, many ships...

quote: Originally posted by joncnunn Which other countries are part of Sweeden in this conquest?

Portugal, and Turkey.

	28-01-2005 20:54									#48
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I can see combining Turkey since they historically didn't join the war until 1944/1945 timeframe, but placing Portugal in this category is just weird. (Should have been part of minor allied powers)

	31-01-2005 20:54									#49
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What's the hold up with moving the save around?

	31-01-2005 21:46									#50
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I don't know. I did send it to StrictlyRockers.

	01-02-2005 07:18									#51
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Please resend. I have not received it. I was wondering what the hold up was too. Please post here when you send the turn.

	01-02-2005 07:20									#52
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I see now that Modo posted that he sent the turn. I did not recieve it, and I didn't remember that Modo is the one who passes to me.

	01-02-2005 14:20									#53
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Resending now.

	02-02-2005 09:08									#54
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Hey guys, I have received the turn, but I am unable to play it as I have no idea what my password is. I'm sure I was never told what it is. Could whoever knows please email it to me at cjpurdin AT yahoo?

Thanks!

	02-02-2005 13:04									#55
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quote: Originally posted by StrictlyRockers Hey guys, I have received the turn, but I am unable to play it as I have no idea what my password is. I'm sure I was never told what it is. Could whoever knows please email it to me at cjpurdin AT yahoo?

The game asked you for a password on the first turn. It was saved then, and only you know it. If you didn't enter one, just hit "ok" and it should let you in without any problems.

	03-02-2005 06:52									#56
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Aw crap. I can't get in, and I don't remember ever using a pw for this game. I would have recorded it if I had used one. I am very sorry about this!

This has the potential to be a great game, and I feel like it's somehow my fault that it has stalled. I honestly don't recall using a pw for Spain. I am very sorry. I am open to any solution that is suggested.

	03-02-2005 13:31									#58
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Sending help to StrictlyRockers. Don't worry, we'll get going soon.

Last edited by Modo44 on 03-02-2005 at 13:40

	03-02-2005 15:19									#59
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Modo helped me fix this. We are moving again. Turn played and passed to Italy.

Peace accepted with Britain.
DOW on Portugal, which made Britain immediately declare war on me as they have MPP.
Successful bombing run on Oporto.

End turn 2.

	04-02-2005 12:26									#60
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First the good news (from my point of view anyway)...

Italian destroyer sinks English destroyer at Crete.

Now the bad news...

Italy attacks Thessalonika, one armour lost, other weakened and retreats to city. Thessalonika holds firm.
Minor powers counterattack - one armour and one fighter destroyed, city razed.
Italy attacks English expeditary force at Tubruq, two armour lost, minimal damage to English forces.



Turn passed on to England