14-01-2005 13:54									#1
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The game setup information is here.

Players:

• Grandpa Troll - England (replaced GodKing due to problems with Civ)
  
• joncnunn - France
  
• Stalin (adamsaka) - USSR
  
• Modo - Germany
  
• Paddy the Scot - Spain (replaced StrictlyRockers, who disappeared without a word)
  
• Soltz - Italy

Let's get it on.

EDIT: Added turn order information.

Last edited by Modo44 on 16-09-2005 at 11:36

	14-01-2005 17:39									#2
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England -
Killed 3 german subs, 2 with destroyers, 1 with a sub
lost 1 DD to a german sub

Not having units that can see subs is.... bad.

	14-01-2005 18:09									#3
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quote: Originally posted by GodKing Not having units that can see subs is.... bad.

There is supposedly a tech that allows building units, that can see Subs. At least that's what the scenario description says. Playing Germany, I hope it's a very expensive one.

	15-01-2005 05:37									#4
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Successfully extracted Modo44 exe, dispite it being in a foreign language.

Agreed with the UK to punish the Germans!
Declared war on Germany!

No drafting allowed. Maybe I'm missing the tech. The ingame cylopedia is reporting normal drafting level allowed by Republic.


Also for some reason I can't save in the middle of my turn.
Might be a feature of all PBEM's for all I know, the only other one I'm in is in 3400 BC so there's not much to do.

Guess I'll have to keep Civ III running until I complete this. (Probably tomorrow due to Battlestar Galatica on tonight)

	15-01-2005 14:18									#5
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quote: Originally posted by joncnunn Successfully extracted Modo44 exe, dispite it being in a foreign language.

quote: Originally posted by joncnunn Agreed with the UK to punish the Germans! Declared war on Germany!

Actually, I thought you'd do it the other way around. Now I get the War Happiness. But hey, if you like digging your own grave, then be my guest.

quote: Originally posted by joncnunn No drafting allowed. Maybe I'm missing the tech. The ingame cylopedia is reporting normal drafting level allowed by Republic.

Only the USSR can draft in this scenario, with the standard 2 unit per turn limit for Communism. At least at the beginning - I haven't played it out with all nations. They were the only ones with seemingly limitless numbers of (not really trained) soldiers in this war, so it's fine with me.

quote: Originally posted by joncnunn Also for some reason I can't save in the middle of my turn.

That's because you can't in a PBEM in Civ3. Sorry, I know no solution to this.

	15-01-2005 23:27									#6
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War report:

Bomber tried to disconnect the rail at the luxary on the German side of the Dutch border. Discovered a Panzer and bombed it instead. Didn't noticed the first time and bombed again. (2 tries, 1 successful, 1 failure)

Accidently bombed a Germany Inf near my border. Succecced. Knocked 1 point off

Heavilly bombed via ariterlly and bombers the German stack of Panzers inside my border.

Attacked that softened up stack with Conscript Tanks followed by the conscript Calvary:

French Loses: 4 Conscript Tanks, 1 Calvary

German Loses: All but one of those Panzers. Remainer is an Elite
3/7

Turn sent to sakareassen. (USSR)

	15-01-2005 23:35									#7
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quote: Originally posted by GodKing England - Killed 3 german subs, 2 with destroyers, 1 with a sub lost 1 DD to a german sub Not having units that can see subs is.... bad.

Editor says Fighter (standard one only) can detect invisible as well.

	15-01-2005 23:41									#8
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Historically, Paris fell on the very first German turn. This kind of makes happiness irrelvevent. I used different tactics with my military than the French historically did, fully confident that mine couldn't possibly result in a worse result.

quote: Originally posted by Modo44 Actually, I thought you'd do it the other way around. Now I get the War Happiness. But hey, if you like digging your own grave, then be my guest. Only the USSR can draft in this scenario, with the standard 2 unit per turn limit for Communism. At least at the beginning - I haven't played it out with all nations. They were the only ones with seemingly limitless numbers of (not really trained) soldiers in this war, so it's fine with me.

	16-01-2005 00:06									#9
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Next time, I'd like to know how many of my shiny toys were destroyed. This one I could easily check by loading the first turn. Good kick off there.

I won't comment on Paris falling on the first turn, before playing it.

The happiness will help Germany for a long time - this is the point where you helped me.

Is everyone ok with the battle reports posted in the open? Or would you rather have them sent directly to the nations affected? I'm fine either way.

	16-01-2005 00:31									#10
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The negative WW always applys to non-WW govts when at war, regardless of who started it. So you get a benifit one turn earlier, big deal.

quote: Originally posted by Modo44 Next time, I'd like to know how many of my shiny toys were destroyed. This one I could easily check by loading the first turn. Good kick off there. I won't comment on Paris falling on the first turn, before playing it. The happiness will help Germany for a long time - this is the point where you helped me. Is everyone ok with the battle reports posted in the open? Or would you rather have them sent directly to the nations affected? I'm fine either way.

	16-01-2005 18:50									#11
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quote: Originally posted by joncnunn The negative WW always applys to non-WW govts when at war, regardless of who started it. So you get a benifit one turn earlier, big deal.

Actually, I didn't know this. I thought a civ had to get attacked (i.e. have someone declaring war on it), to get War Happiness. Thanks for the info.

	18-01-2005 05:51									#12
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Did the USSR go out of town this weekend?

	18-01-2005 11:31									#13
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No, shame really.

Stalin had his notebook stolen on the weekend. Stalin unhappy. Stalin sends 2000 traitors to siberia.

Stalin was all happy when he had a new notebook ready to go, and got the saved game in. Stalin very unhappy when he realised his conquerors cd was in the old CD drive. Stalin also notices its too late at night to go shopping. Stalin sends 5000 traitors to siberia.

Stalin took some hours out from his busy working schedule to drive around the city looking for a new CD. And he found one.

Stalin will play in a few hours when done in the office. Stalin will understand if everone is really pissed at him and declares war as soon as possible (especially as half the army is now in siberia).

	18-01-2005 16:57									#14
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Zdravstvuyte Comrads!
Finally up and running at full speed again.

Upon hearing the news of war in Europe, the mighty soviet empire, condems the criminal actions of the facist and capitalistic beasts of the west.

However in the interests of its workers and this great nataion the soviet union has chosen a peaceful path, sparing the west from the wrath of the mighty red army.

Meanwhile, soviet factories slowly mobilise their weapon production capacities...

Turn complete. No hostilities. Save sent to Modo.

	18-01-2005 17:23									#15
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Fights this turn (list complete):

• Attack Amsterdam (Dutch). Dutch lose: 2 Infantry, 1 Flak, 1 Artillery (captured). 1 Panzer promoted. Amsterdam captured.
  
• Attack Brussels (Dutch). Dutch lose: 1 Infantry, 1 Artillery (captured). 1 Panzer promoted. Brussels captured.
  
• Bomb the French Silk luxury near Paris (1 Bomber run). Luxury disconnected.
  
• Bomb the French Furs luxury near Lyons (3 Bomber runs). Luxury disconnected.
  
• Attack the English Infantry north of Brussels. Infantry killed. 1 Panzer promoted.
  
• Attack the English Tank south of Brussels. Tank killed. 1 Panzer lost.
  
• Attack the English stack near Brussels. Germans lose: 1 Bomber (to AA fire), 1 Tank, 3 Panzers. English lose: 4 Infantry, 1 Flak, 1 Artillery (captured). 1 Panzer promoted to Elite.
  
• Bomb a tile near Dijon. Improvements destroyed.
  
• Attack French defenders north of Strasbourg. French lose: 3 Infantry, 1 Tank. Germans lose: 1 Panzer. 1 Panzer promoted.
  
• Attack Strasbourg. French lose: 2 Infantry, 4 Tanks, 2 Flak, 2 Artillery (captured), some planes (at least a Bomber and a Fighter). Germans lose: 1 Panzer. 3 Panzers promoted. Strasbourg captured.
  
• Attack French units near Strasbourg. Kill 4 Infantry, 1 Tank. Lose 1 Panzer, 1 Infantry.
  
• Attack Zagreb (Dutch). Dutch lose: 2 Infantry, 1 Rifleman. Germans lose: 1 Panzer. Zagreb captured.
  
• Attack Nis (Dutch). Dutch lose: 1 Infantry. Tank promoted. Nis captured.
  
• Attack Skopje (Dutch). Dutch lose: I Rifleman. Tank promoted. Skopje captured.
  
• Naval battle near Kiel. English: 1 Destroyer sunk, 1 Destroyer damaged. Germans: 1 U-Boot promoted, 1 U-Boot sunk.
  
• Naval battle near Stavanger. English: 1 Destroyer sunk, HMS Valiant (Battleship) sunk. Germans: 1 U-Boot promoted, 1 Destroyer promoted, 1 U-Boot sunk.
  
• Attack English Infantry near Narvik. 1 German Paratrooper lost. English Infantry killed.
  
• 3 English Destroyers sunk in the Atlantic by U-Boots. 2 U-Boots promoted.
  
• 1 English Destroyer sunk in the Mediterrannean Sea, between Palma, and Tunis. German U-Boot promoted.

Last edited by Modo44 on 18-01-2005 at 20:18

	18-01-2005 23:02									#16
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Good news is that I did better by still retaining possesion of Paris after 1 turn!

The bad news though is that histroically Strasbourg did not fall to the Germans until the peace treaty was signed. (The Marietot line was bypassed entirely)

	18-01-2005 23:22									#17
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quote: Originally posted by joncnunn Good news is that I did better by still retaining possesion of Paris after 1 turn!

Well, replaying the turn now, after I found the way to get half of continental France in turn 1, is hardly an option, is it?
Bad planning done at the German headquarters.
EDIT: Traitors found and executed now.

quote: Originally posted by joncnunn The bad news though is that histroically Strasbourg did not fall to the Germans until the peace treaty was signed. (The Marietot line was bypassed entirely)

You can take comfort in the fact, that it cost many German soldiers the highest price.

	19-01-2005 19:33									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Modo44 [*]Naval battle near Stavanger. English: 1 Destroyer sunk, HMS Valiant (Battleship) sunk. Germans: 1 U-Boot promoted, 1 Destroyer promoted, 1 U-Boot sunk.

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	21-01-2005 19:56									#19
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Where did the Spanish go?

	21-01-2005 20:31									#20
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quote: Originally posted by joncnunn Where did the Spanish go?

I did get a diplomatic message from them. No news on the save, though.

	21-01-2005 20:41									#21
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Took me a minute to get the files set up. Turn has been played. I need to pass on to Stolz I think. He is Italy. I can't find his email address anywhere on here.

	21-01-2005 20:43									#22
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Nothing notable happened in my turn BTW.

	21-01-2005 21:28									#23
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I sent you a PM with the e-mail of Soltz. Hope it arrived ok.

	21-01-2005 22:21									#24
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quote: Originally posted by StrictlyRockers Nothing notable happened in my turn BTW.

So Spain is still neutral and open to both the US counterfeiting the DotuchMark and releasing them there and the Germans counterfeiting the Dollar and releasing them there?

	22-01-2005 02:46									#25
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Absolutely. We intend to play both sides against the middle, all the while profitting by laundering money and taking our cut.

	22-01-2005 03:03									#26
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Dream on.

	22-01-2005 07:13									#27
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Ok, the turn has been passed. I just got home from work.

I am sure that things will progress smoothly and much more quickly once we get this first turn hashed out.

	23-01-2005 00:19									#28
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Turn played and sent on to Godking.

There were no aggressive acts by Italy but we are saddened to report that AI minor powers cowardly attacked Italian forces and destroyed two inf. We will be dealing with the matter.

	25-01-2005 05:05									#29
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HAHAHAHha.

I suck.

Against Germany
OK, did a bit of bombing of roads near the german / french border. Lost 1 bomber and destroyed 1 german fighter in the process.

Found (crashed into) and sunk 3 subs. 2 in the atlantic, 1 in the English sea. No promotions. The one was with a cruiser, the others were with Destroysers IIRC.

Killed one Cruiser near the neatherlands with a BB. No promotions.

These actions caused Italy and Spain to declair war on me. Spain I sent back a proposed peace treaty, as I see no nead to kill them, unless they wish to die. Italy has already declaired their intentions to side with the evil germans, and will be punished.

Against Italy

Bombed and missed one destroyer off the SW of italy using a fighter.
Naval bombardment in egypt. Suggest you surender now.




Now, all I have to do is hope that the Soviet Socialist Republic of adamsaka can cut that lone german oil in slovakia.......

Sorry, I didn't check the emails this weekend.

The Voice of Freedom, out.

	25-01-2005 09:41									#30
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I will accept the offer of peace from the Allies as this was an unintentional mistake. I thought that I had accepted an agreement with Germany which protected me if I was attacked by the Allies, not which obligated me to ally with Germany if she was attacked by the Allies.