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MrWhereItsAt
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New Year's Resolution: 2005 is the year of Where It's At - come get some.
Nov 2001
time: 17:31
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If that is so could we please have some further clarification as to exactly what is considered 'civ-related'? Images and saves from the games covered on this site are included in this definition I know, but with Democracy Games in particular the newspapers and roleplay threads tend to rely on other (what I would call) civ-related images that may not specifically be from any of the games.
At the very least, if the Admins will not make any concessions for Democracy Gamers (when they have always seemed happy to allow our reasonable requests before, including creation of new forums, granting and changing of limited mod powers, putting our news on the site news section, maintenance of the DG private forums etc), can you at least please consider giving out warnings before banning people? The rules are surely to prevent site abuse, and I think we DGers have in general been a pretty well-behaved lot. We are not intentional rule-breakers and just like to keep on with our own fun, making the site a more interesting and diverse place at the same time, so could it be possible for us to please continue doing what we have been until now without the shock and possible great inconvenience for all of a sudden unwarned banning? Those who intentionally break (IMO) much clearer rules about flaming, swearing or spamming get warnings, so can we at least have the same, and the chance to correct anything that is objected to?
I hope it can be agreed that spot-banning someone, and then having them need to find someone active to PM just to try to find out what they've done wrong is hardly the most effective way of going about preventing rules violations in the future.
Cheers.
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Ming
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First... the typical restriction for an upload violation is usually 24 hours. In many cases, people don't even realize they had been restricted 
Second... yeah, a PM explaining the situation would be nice, but you have to understand the system. In most cases, MANY people are caught by the sweeps the owners do when they are looking for violations. If it was only one person at a time, that would be one thing... but it's usually a very long list, and frankly, the owners have better things to do than send PM's to all the rule breakers.
Third, this is not the first time they have done so... this is a regular and ongoing process. If you have any thought that your files may not be considered "games covered by this site related", send a PM to DanQ and MarkG explaining the nature of your uploads and why they dont' violate site policy. In MOST cases, this solves the problem. For you, it's two simple PMs and will save you any potential problem.
And to be honest with you... the spot banning system they use is VERY effective for preventing future rules violations... it does get peoples attention. Most people here don't even bother to read the FAQ or take the time to familiarize themselves with the site upload policy. After a spot ban, they are less likely to violate the policy in the future
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GhengisFarb
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I want my HAMBURGERS!!
May 2002
time: 23:31
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On the one hand, as a recipient of one of these 24 hour bannings I sympathize with the victims.
But, as Ming said its only 24 hours and I survived it with only a few therapy sessions to get me through. A lot of people have been labeling MarkG and DanQ as "nazi"ish for these actions, but it is their site and if you don't like it you can always flee to Switzerland.
Heil Apolyton!
Last edited by GhengisFarb on 15-01-2005 at 20:54
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MrWhereItsAt
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New Year's Resolution: 2005 is the year of Where It's At - come get some.
Nov 2001
time: 17:31
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quote:
Originally posted by Ming
Second... yeah, a PM explaining the situation would be nice, but you have to understand the system. In most cases, MANY people are caught by the sweeps the owners do when they are looking for violations. If it was only one person at a time, that would be one thing... but it's usually a very long list, and frankly, the owners have better things to do than send PM's to all the rule breakers.
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And for the record, since the 24 hour bannings have been instituted, there have been less and less violations found on each sweep. So it must be working REAL well. |
Methinks you're obfuscating here. Less and less people caught out but still MANY. Although these aren't mutually incompatible statements it looks a bit sus to me.
I maintain it would be the work of minutes to copy/paste a standard PM/email to those who have been deemed to have violated this site rule without knowing it - said people should easily be able to get added to a list during sweeps and then have an email sent out in bulk rather than one at a time. After all isn't that what happens with site news updates? I also don't think a warning is too lenient since it is clear the specifics of the rule are not easily understood.
Anyway, I can't say I'm happy at all, but thanks Ming and Dan for responding.
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Ming
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Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt
Methinks you're obfuscating here. Less and less people caught out but still MANY. Although these aren't mutually incompatible statements it looks a bit sus to me.
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Sus... Nahhhh...
At first, the list was REALLY REALLY long... And while many people are still being caught, it's getting less and less everytime they do a sweep. It does seem to be effective. We usually don't see any repeat offenders
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I maintain it would be the work of minutes to copy/paste a standard PM/email to those who have been deemed to have violated this site rule without knowing it - said people should easily be able to get added to a list during sweeps and then have an email sent out in bulk rather than one at a time. After all isn't that what happens with site news updates?
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Even if it is just a matter of "minutes", that's still time that is being taken away from their personal time. They already put in a lot of time to make this a place we all want to come to... The less time they spend dealing with rule breakers... the better. Remember, they are only enforcing the rules of the site they own. They don't owe an explaination to rule breakers... It's the members responsiblity to know the rules and not violate them. And again, if you think one of your files might be considered questionable, you can spend the "minute" to send a PM to make sure they understand about a file.
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I also don't think a warning is too lenient since it is clear the specifics of the rule are not easily understood.
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I send out many warnings for rules violations... and many people ignore them... A restriction gets people's attention... and usually means better compliance in the future.
And again, in MOST cases, it's a 24 hour restriction. That's pretty lenient.
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Anyway, I can't say I'm happy at all, but thanks Ming and Dan for responding. |
I understand... most people aren't happy when they get restricted for rules violations. And in your case, you probably feel it was unfair...
So in the future, if you have any doubt... send a PM with an explaination
And thank you for being civil about it... many people aren't when they get restricted
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