07-02-2005 11:58									#451
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Ted Striker, Superbowl MVP

	07-02-2005 11:59									#452
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Jon Stewart night was a moment of bonding for us.

	07-02-2005 12:06									#455
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Our finest hour.

Oh, and TEF, have a field day with the cigar guy if you want.

	07-02-2005 19:31									#457
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McCartney

McNabb




I have to give Patriots their props. They are an awesome team. They just did not make mistakes. Eagles have made mistakes in games this year but have always rebounded in time to win. Not gonna happen against a team like NE. Eagles will be back in the Super Bowl next year. I just hope they dont need 4 visits before they win it (like NFC championship)...

	07-02-2005 19:40									#458
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Excellent game. I don't like the Pats, but it was fun gloating agaisnt the many Eagles fans I was watching the game with.

Philly losing before a national audience

	07-02-2005 19:43									#459
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You mean like Pittsburgh did two weeks ago?

	08-02-2005 01:20									#460
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The remarkable thing was that NE was playing with a lot of defensive starters injured and Philly was playing with everyone "healthy." The NE team is still very young. What this adds up to is that NE should return to the Superbowl next year as well, barring injuries. This team may be as dominant as Green Bay was in the '60s, Pittsburgh in the '70s or San Francisco in the '80s.

	08-02-2005 01:28									#461
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BTW, the only way someone is going to beat NE is to field a team with a better defense. Pittsburgh was close, this year. But I think the Baltimore team that won the Superbowl a couple of years ago, or the great Tampa Bay teams, could beat NE. But teams having defenses that good are a rairity.

I personally think Chicago is on the verge of having a Superbowl quality defense. However, it needs an offense. A complete retooling.

	08-02-2005 01:53									#462
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Pittsburgh doesn't have a good enough offense. But their QB should get better.

The thing about NE is they are losing some defensive coaching and maybe their offensive coordinator? I'm not sure how much effect that will have though, as Billecheck is good at training new coaches.

	09-02-2005 02:45									#463
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Also, didn't NE have a couple more injuries during the game? Their free safety broke his arm. I also thought the strong safety got hurt.

Both their starting corners were out. On paper, NE was decimated defensively.

But they still looked good -- real good -- on defense.

	09-02-2005 03:15									#464
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quote: The thing about NE is they are losing some defensive coaching and maybe their offensive coordinator?

Yep, that usually has a BIG effect on teams. I think New England will have some problems as a result. Both Weis and Crennel have left and may try to take some other NE coaches with them.

	09-02-2005 03:17									#465
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quote: Originally posted by Ned I personally think Chicago is on the verge of having a Superbowl quality defense. However, it needs an offense. A complete retooling.

DEAR GOD I HOPE SO

	09-02-2005 03:21									#466
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Pssh, why Chicago? Their D wasn't anything exceptional. Its Washington that had the best defense in the NFC this year:

http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/N...ar?sort_col_1=4

	09-02-2005 03:29									#467
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Cause Ned's been overrating the Chicago D all year.

	09-02-2005 03:31									#468
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Ah, alright. According to those stats, Chicago had just a touch better defense than Detroit, and the worst offense in the entire league.

	09-02-2005 03:40									#469
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Is rushing considered when doing QB ratings? If not, i can't understand why Vick has a better rating than Harrington.

Player Team G Att Att/G Cmp Pct Yds Yds/G Lng TDs Int Sck SckY Rate
Michael Vick ATL 15 321 21.4 181 56.4 2313 154.2 62 14 12 46 266 78.1
Joey Harrington DET 16 489 30.6 274 56.0 3047 190.4 62 19 12 36 196 77.5

	09-02-2005 03:48									#470
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quote: Originally posted by OzzyKP Ah, alright. According to those stats, Chicago had just a touch better defense than Detroit, and the worst offense in the entire league.

Are you forgetting that Chicago was decimated by injuries? Urlacher, Tillman, and Mike Brown were all out for extended periods. Chicago's D is vastly underrated... and next year, with people healthy, they have enormous depth considering most of the backups and 2nd stringers got loads of playing time this year.

The offense though... well I got nothing for you there. Rex Grossman might be healthy next year, and we have a new off. coordinator. But I don't know how much of a difference that will be.

	09-02-2005 04:28									#471
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quote: Is rushing considered when doing QB ratings?

No. They are QB passing ratings.

Oh, and Urlacher is overrated. When Ted Washington was gone, he was exposed.

	09-02-2005 04:36									#472
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: Is rushing considered when doing QB ratings? No. They are QB passing ratings.

Then, based on the above stats, why is Vick higher than Harrington when Harrington had more yards, more yards per game, more touchdowns, less sacks, and comparable completion percentages?

	09-02-2005 04:39									#473
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http://www.nfl.com/news/981202qbrate.html

Vick had a slightly better completion percentage, a better yards per attempt, and a better TD per attempt percentage. He did have a higher INT per attempt percentage though.

	09-02-2005 05:22									#474
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Ah, so that's how they do it. Hmmm... eh.

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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Cause Ned's been overrating the Chicago D all year.

The full strength defense was impressive. Then Brown gets hurt. Down goes No. 54. The injuries pile up.

When they won games, it was the defense that won it for them.

	09-02-2005 07:00									#476
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quote: Originally posted by Ned When they won games, it was the defense that won it for them.

It sure as hell wasn't the offense that won them any games

	09-02-2005 19:23									#477
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So the postscript to the Super Bowl, at least for Philly fans, turns out to be that McNabb was physically sick for the last 5 minutes of the game and this contributed to his poor play and the clock mismanagement during that part of the game.. Teammates on the field during that time have reported that he was having dry heaves and appeared to have been in a trance leading to some speculation that he may have sustained a concussion at some point during the game. Mitchell had to call the play in the huddle at one point because McNabb was incoherent. Philly media is reporting all of this today.

	09-02-2005 19:30									#478
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quote: When they won games, it was the defense that won it for them.

Yeah, all 5 of them . We aren't talking about a playoff team here.

	09-02-2005 19:48									#479
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Philly is just looking for excuses.

	09-02-2005 19:55									#480
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Yep... media spin... It's easier to admit that he was "sick" then admit they just screwed up.