24-01-2005 10:16									#211
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The Church of Belichick...

Before the games with the Colts and Steelers, it seemed those who picked NE had an almost religious like faith in Bill Belichick to figure out something. Well, that faith has been borne out. All (at least in the AFC) must now bow down before the altar...

	24-01-2005 10:32									#212
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Well, this New England team already has to be ranked with the all-time greats. It has won two out of the last three Superbowls, set the all time record for consecutive victories, and is in the process of winning this year's Superbowl with lopsided victories over the best teams the league has to offer: Indy, Pittsburgh, and perhaps Philly.

Everyone now is finally beginning to realized that Brady is, in fact, the best QB in the league. Clutch. He may be good enough to be mentioned in the same breath as Bradshaw, Staubach and Joe Montana.

	24-01-2005 10:35									#213
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I admit Brady is a great story. I never liked Bledsoe, it was great to see him come in like that. I would like the Patriots more, but they just don't have the style of play I prefer.

	24-01-2005 10:39									#214
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How is Bradshaw one of the best QBs of all time? Because he won 4 Superbowls? Frankly, I'd take Marino or Elway over him (and plenty others).

	24-01-2005 10:51									#215
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Bradshaw was a major reason why Pittsburgh won four Superbowls. He was a very good QB.

Also, Brady is being mentioned with Joe Montana. See this from ESPN:

Sunday, January 23
Vote: Philadelphia Eagles vs. New England Patriots
Super Bowl XXXIX


Thank you for voting. See below for the results from across SportsNation.

Your responses in bold text.



1) Which quarterback would you rather have in Super Bowl XXXIX?


74.1% Tom Brady

25.9% Donovan McNabb


2) If starting a franchise from scratch, which quarterback would you choose?


57.2% Tom Brady

42.8% Donovan McNabb


3) Will the Philadelphia Eagles be a tougher opponent for the Patriots than the Pittsburgh Steelers were in the AFC championship game?


58.7% Yes

41.3% No


4) What do you expect from Philadelphia wide receiver Terrell Owens in two weeks?


43.2% He'll play but won't be effective

34.4% He'll play and be effective

22.4% He won't play


5) Which middle linebacker would you want running your defense?


67.0% Tedy Bruschi

33.0% Jeremiah Trotter


6) Which defense has the edge in Super Bowl XXXIX?


71.4% New England

28.6% Philadelphia


7) Which running back is more important to his team's success on offense?


56.2% Brian Westbrook

43.8% Corey Dillon


8) Which team has the edge at head coach?


85.1% New England -- Bill Belichick

14.9% Philadelphia -- Andy Reid


9) If Tom Brady wins his third Super Bowl and improves to 9-0 in the playoffs, who would you rate as the better quarterback?


61.3% Joe Montana

38.7% Tom Brady


10) If the Patriots win Super Bowl XXXIX, would they be the best team of all time?


66.5% No

33.5% Yes


11) Who will win Super Bowl XXXIX?


36.8% Patriots by 10 or fewer points

32.3% Patriots by more than 10 points

25.0% Eagles by 10 or fewer points

6.0% Eagles by more than 10 points


Total Votes: 33,400

	24-01-2005 10:57									#216
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Yeah... Brady gets his fair share of help too (defense, coaching)

	24-01-2005 11:02									#217
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quote: Bradshaw was a major reason why Pittsburgh won four Superbowls. He was a very good QB.

Very good, perhaps, but one of the best of all time? Naw. The guy only has TWO more TDs than INTs (212-210). He was only in the Top 5 in passing yards once in his career (1977) and was only a three time Pro-Bowler.

	24-01-2005 13:12									#218
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: Bradshaw was a major reason why Pittsburgh won four Superbowls. He was a very good QB. Very good, perhaps, but one of the best of all time? Naw. The guy only has TWO more TDs than INTs (212-210). He was only in the Top 5 in passing yards once in his career (1977) and was only a three time Pro-Bowler.

Ummm, guess Vick is a crappy QB then, like we have been telling you all season.



You always seem to say there is more to QB than stats, right?

The man won 4 Super Bowls.

Take your pick, Vick is a great QB and so is Bradshaw.

OR

Bradshaw was not a great QB and neither is Vick.

PWNED!

ACK!

	24-01-2005 13:13									#219
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Oh, I will pick Philly by 2 points.

ACK!

	24-01-2005 19:20									#220
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Congrats Philly! You played well. But now you got your hands full in a team that looks like a freaking steamroller. Hopefully you can stop them! Oh, and congrats Atlanta on a HELL of a season. We never thought you'd get this far. The city of Atlanta is looking forward to your future success .

THe city of Atlanta is one of the worst sports towns in the country. Most Atlantans probably dont give a damn that their team lost. See my post a few pages back for 10 reasons why Atlanta didnt deserve to get to the Super Bowl.

	24-01-2005 19:21									#221
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Sour grapes even after his team won.

No wonder Jim Mora (Sr) on Fox Sports Radio said that Philly is the only team this weekend that had to score early, with the intent of taking their own fans out of the game.

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quote: Originally posted by JohnT Sour grapes even after his team won. No wonder Jim Mora (Sr) on Fox Sports Radio said that Philly is the only team this weekend that had to score early, with the intent of taking their own fans out of the game.

That comment was meant as a reality check for Imran. I'm tired of hearing his BS about how great Atlanta is..

Now its time for Reismark to step up and acknowledge Philly's greatness..

	24-01-2005 20:12									#223
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quote: Originally posted by Tuberski Ummm, guess Vick is a crappy QB then, like we have been telling you all season. You always seem to say there is more to QB than stats, right? The man won 4 Super Bowls. Take your pick, Vick is a great QB and so is Bradshaw. OR Bradshaw was not a great QB and neither is Vick. PWNED! ACK!

Um... since when does 'not the best of all time' = 'not great'?

Though I would like you point out where I said Vick was one of best of all time .

Also, Um... Vick has been a starter for TWO seasons. He is also the focal point of the offense and has only up to go. Bradshaw played in an offense where the focus was Rocky Blier and Franco Harris. Do you think Bradshaw was the reason the Steelers won those rings?

PWNED!

(furthermore, I consider Brady as knocking on the 'all time great' door, partly because of his wins in the postseason, because he is the focal point of that offense)

quote: Sour grapes even after his team won.

Yep... one of many reasons Philly fans are reviled, in addition to cheering when opposing players are injured.

	24-01-2005 20:14									#224
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I was right. The line opened at 61/2, and has now moved up to seven in favor of New England.

	24-01-2005 20:24									#225
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Oh, and btw, Vick's passer rating at 24 years old (78.0) was better than McNabb's (77.8), Farve's (72.2), Carr's (69.5), and a shade worse than Culpepper's (83.3). Of course, Manning was a beast and when he was 24, his passer rating was an eye-popping 94.7 ( ).

	24-01-2005 20:38									#226
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Bradshaw started his career with a really bad Pitt team. As he matured, he cut down on his mistakes and increased his effectiveness dramatically. The Superbowl Pittsburgh teams had a compete offense, better than the predecessor powerhouse, Miami, and very much like the great Joe Montana 49'er teams and the current New England team. Bradshaw would kill you with passing if you loaded up stopping the very potent Pitt running attack.

Teams had a very difficult time stopping Pittsburgh, and Bradshaw had a lot to with that.

	24-01-2005 20:51									#227
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If he was an all time great and like Joe Montana, don't you think he would have made some more Pro Bowls at the very least? I mean Staubach made 6 Pro Bowls in the same time period.

You'll also note in all their SuperBowl years (and all but one of the other playoff years of the 70s), only in 1979 did the Steelers have a top 10 passing attack (in yards), and Bradshaw didn't really run a whole lot at the end of his career. Though in all those years, the running attack (in yards) was near the top of the league.

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Well, at the time, the AFC was loaded with good QB's with great stats. I recall Stabler was one of them. Bradshaw QB'ed on a running team. These others quarterbacked on passing teams and ran their stats up. But, when the chips were down in the title games, Pittsburgh with Bradshaw won every time.

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Loaded with good QBs with great stats? Who? Stabler a few years (who's stats, btw, where NOT all that good - long passing leads to a Hell of a lot of INTs). A few years, Bradshaw finished second best to Bob Griese (not exactly a great passer - though you may have an argument that he didn't belong in some years, but those were mostly the young Bradshaw years). Ken Anderson was there for a few years and he probably was a better QB than Bradshaw.

In the title games, I think the running game and defense had a lot to do with things . There weren't many games where he had to air it out in the playoffs (albeit one of them was a Superbowl).

He deserves his spot in the Hall of Fame, but I wouldn't call him an "all time great" (the Hall of Fame does equal all time great status btw).

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	24-01-2005 21:19									#230
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quote: Originally posted by bfg9000 That comment was meant as a reality check for Imran. I'm tired of hearing his BS about how great Atlanta is.. Now its time for Reismark to step up and acknowledge Philly's greatness..

Atlanta is a great city. Not a great sports town, mind you, but a great city.

But, when over 1/2 of the 3,000,000+ population is made up of transfers and emigrants, one should expect that the sports teams don't get the same sort of fanatical showing when compared to a city that nobody wants to move to.

	24-01-2005 21:20									#231
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Do the names Joe Namath or Dan Fouts mean anything to you?

	24-01-2005 21:24									#232
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Do the names Joe Namath or Dan Fouts mean anything to you?

You mean that Joe Namath who only had one good year after 1972? Btw, Broadway Joe's LAST Pro Bowl year was '72, so he didn't take anything away from Bradshaw. Btw, Joe Willie is also an overrated QB. Threw for a LOT of yards and TDs, but also threw a TON of INTs, usually more than he threw for TDs.

Fouts was good, but his FIRST Pro-Bowl was in 1979! Before that he was an average QB.

Bradshaw's heyday was smack in between both QBs, from '73 to '79 (he did make the Pro Bowl in '79, btw).

	24-01-2005 23:38									#233
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Eagles TE Chad Lewis out of the Super Bowl. (foot)

Chad had 2 TD yesterday..


They plan on bringing in a TE to fill his spot, but IMO that is a bad idea. You dont plug an integral spot in your offense with somebody off the waiver wire when you are playing the most important game your team has played in the past 24 years. They have one other TE on the roster - Mike Bartrum - a guy who is the long snapper on the team and rarely gets to play TE. They are better off starting him in Chad Lewis' place and then signing a long snapper off the waiver wire....

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	25-01-2005 01:53									#234
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What happened to L.J. Smith?

	25-01-2005 04:04									#235
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I'm calling NE with a fairly comfortable win. But Philly won't roll over and die.

	25-01-2005 13:07									#236
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Pity the poor Steelers fans (ie, me).

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	25-01-2005 19:07									#237
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui What happened to L.J. Smith?

Yeah, they have LJ, but most of their offensive package requires 2 TE on a given play.

They went out and signed Jeff Thomason to fill the spot. Thomason used to play for the Eagles as a third string TE but he has been out of football for the past 2 years.....

Imagine getting a call at work and being asked to play in the Super Bowl!

	25-01-2005 19:16									#238
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He says he'll be ready to play

	25-01-2005 19:46									#239
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quote: Originally posted by pchang He says he'll be ready to play

Some Owens quotes from last night:

"Spiritually, God is healing me and I am way ahead of what a lot of people expected me to be - even the doctor. He is even shocked at what he has seen the times I have gone back there to do my post-op.

"Spirtually I have been healed and I believe I will be out on that field on [Super Bowl] Sunday, regardless of what anybody says. They can't deny the man the ball."


Clearly God is on our side...

	25-01-2005 21:23									#240
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Rodney Harrison won't be