17-01-2005 14:33									#61
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Any Asian rappers out there?

	17-01-2005 14:37									#62
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I blame karaoke as well.

Now that songs are written to be sung by your average teenager, at least in my neck of the woods, they are completely bland and dumb.

	17-01-2005 15:09									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber Any Asian rappers out there?

There are hot asian fly girls.

	17-01-2005 15:10									#64
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quote: Originally posted by DaShi There are hot asian fly girls.

Good enough for me

	17-01-2005 15:18									#65
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Actually, whoever said it's to do with a sudden break is probably right too. Look at today's Russian pop, it's awful. Since Japan had a totalitarian, pop-opposed dictatorship during world war two (and Korea was under occupation), no tradition to build on developed.

What was the South Korean military dictatorship's attitude towards pop music?

	17-01-2005 15:22									#66
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What, no-one's mentioned Chad Hugo yet?

	17-01-2005 15:50									#67
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quote: Any Asian rappers out there?

Yes, horrible horrible teenie-bop style baby-faced matching-outfits syncronized dancing rappers.

quote: I blame karaoke as well. Now that songs are written to be sung by your average teenager, at least in my neck of the woods, they are completely bland and dumb.

Also you get "live" concerts that are just basically karaoke with lots of lights and on a big stage.

quote: What was the South Korean military dictatorship's attitude towards pop music?

Dunno specifically, but I'm guessing pretty anti, considering that they had police on the streets with rulers regularing mini-skirt length.

Also under the dictatorship, what we'd call pop wasn't all that popular in SKorea, it was more sappy old-fashioned (old-western style not old-asian style) ballads then from what I've gathered.

	17-01-2005 16:29									#68
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quote: Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly They're all in Asia, making Asian pop music. And if you've ever heard Asian pop music, you know how thankful you should be that they're far, far away.

I watched MTV India a lot when I was in Thailand for holiday some years ago The horror!

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ok hold up. just because the japanese made DCO synths, doesnt mean they somehow have contributed to music. Yeah, the 303 is nifty, but its definitely not what led to electronic music (if anything the 808 and 909 were far bigger contributors to not only electronic music but also music as a whole)

if were taking this logic further youd wind up with all sorts of loony conclusions.

	17-01-2005 17:29									#70
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quote: Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp Here are some picks for you. Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan The Boredoms Sheila Chandra Fun-da-Mental Cornershop Bally Sagoo Melt-Banana They're all great.

Echobelly, Nitin Sawhney, Asian Dub Foundation and Najma Akhtar too. I know Massive Attack have performed with a British Asian ensemble too. Mick Karn, Japan's bassist....


I seem to recall several 4AD groups having Asian or part Asian members- Lush, for instance. And wasn't Saffron from Republica part-Asian?


Then there's the Sadistic Mika Band from the 70s, who supported Roxy Music on some gigs, the hilarious Frank Chickens from the 80s, Yellow Magic Orchestra, Ryuichi Sakamoto....


....Towa Tei.....

	17-01-2005 17:46									#71
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Don't forget -

In the US Asian generally implies primarily East Asian, Japanese, Korean, Chinese etc. in the UK it tends to imply Indian subcontinent first then the others.

Anyway, seeing as "asian" includes 3/5 or more of the world's population maybe a lot of asian artists concentrate on their local markets?

I know Bangra sells huge amounts in the UK but not through traditional western music outlets so they don't tend to get into the charts here.

	17-01-2005 19:50									#72
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They have an Asian Indian guy in No Doubt. He's even banging Gwen Stefani.

	17-01-2005 20:01									#73
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quote: Originally posted by SpencerH What about the fabulous duo who sing "Teen Titans"? If that doesnt make you wanna run out and buy the latest top of the japanese pops I dont know what will!

That would be the previously mentioned PuffyYumi.

quote: James Iha, or was that Jimmy Iha. I forget.

James Iha, who I was trying to remember. Thanks. Isn't D'arcy part asian also?

As opposed to PuffyYumi, YumiYumi.

	17-01-2005 20:05									#74
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin He's even banging Gwen Stefani.

*WAS*, IIRC she married someone else.

	17-01-2005 20:16									#75
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Gavin Rossdale from Bush, they've been dating/married for years.

	17-01-2005 20:48									#76
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Well, I don't really keep up with celeb news.

	17-01-2005 20:59									#77
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Well, I don't really keep up with celeb news.

then you shouldn't spread ill-informed gossip, what if poor GavIn had of read your post, gone home and kicked the sh1t out of Gwen for being unfaithful?

	17-01-2005 21:05									#78
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I'd love to see anyone kick the sh!t out that woman. Maybe it would shut her up.

	17-01-2005 22:02									#79
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin They have an Asian Indian guy in No Doubt. He's even banging Gwen Stefani.

banging Gwen Stefani

	17-01-2005 22:20									#80
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quote: Originally posted by Boshko Well traditional Korean court music is pretty much just a rip-off of the Chinese, folk music is a quite a bit more interesting, mostly precussion of various sorts... Well the thing is that old-style Asian music (at least in Korea) isn't really a living tradition, a lot of people learn to play it but its mostly just learning old tunes (just like with most older styles of music in the west), there isn't any real growth or change. Then there's modern Asian pop/rap/rock/whatever in which in just about every single case is COMPLETELY deriviative of Western styles and with virtually NO influence of older Asian styles (again, at least in Korea). Modern Asian music (like that of the modern music of many non-English speaking countries all over the world) tends to be so ridiculously derivative of American/English/etc. styles that Asian artists constantly get sued for cranking out songs that are basically direct translations of English songs (Usher seems to be the target du jour recently). The only real exception seems to be Japan, where music seems to be moving in a lot of much more creative directions, and it'll probably take a decade or three for Korean or Chinese mainstream music to get to the level of Japanese music today.

As has been (at least partially) addressed already, that's has a degree of truth where East Asia is concerned, it's in no way true of India/Pakistan. Bhangra and Qawwali are developments of traditional styles, and have developed swiftly and profoundly. This may be due to less cultural upheaval in the aftermath of WW2, I suppose.

Then again, Indian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi culture doesn't have as big an impact on US life as it does on British life. It's one of the good parts of our colonial oppressor past.

	17-01-2005 22:25									#81
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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber Any Asian rappers out there?

There just happened to be an article about Cambodian rapper DJ Sope in a Swedish newspaper today. He was a refugee in USA but moved back to Cambodia in 1992.



http://www.svd.se/dynamiskt/noje/did_8925313.asp

	18-01-2005 03:03									#82
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quote: As has been (at least partially) addressed already, that's has a degree of truth where East Asia is concerned, it's in no way true of India/Pakistan.

In American English, "asian" when applied to people generally just means members of the East Asian ethnic group/race/whatever.

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quote: Originally posted by Chemical Ollie http://www.svd.se/dynamiskt/noje/did_8925313.asp

The article that URL links to is in foreign

	18-01-2005 03:09									#84
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There's also a lack of asians in prison...

	18-01-2005 03:12									#85
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quote: Originally posted by Boshko In American English, "asian" when applied to people generally just means members of the East Asian ethnic group/race/whatever.

As MikeH has said, in the UK 'asian' especially when talking about music usually means Indian, Pakistani etc. artists. Its certainly what first came to my mind when a read the thead title.

In the USA arn't a lot of the top hip-hop DJ's asian?

	18-01-2005 03:51									#86
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quote: Originally posted by Japher There's also a lack of asians in prison...

There's a general lack of women in prison also, but not in the music scene.

	18-01-2005 04:01									#87
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quote: There's a general lack of women in prison also, but not in the music scene.

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quote: Originally posted by Dissident there I said it. I'm not saying they can't be artists. Their architecture is beautiful. But when it comes to music... What have they contributed? Flutes? bamboo reeds?

They've contributed a lot to the world's music, but your question seems to be more like "what have they contributed to western music".

There are many traditional Chinese instruments of all types: wind, plucked strings, bowed strings, percussion. Some are from China, others are modified versions of ideas originating elsewhere.

To western music, the Chinese contributed the accordian, harmonica, harmonium (like a small organ) and other metal reed instruments. These are direct descendants of the ancient Chinese sheng.

How grateful westerners should be for accordian technology is up to you.

	18-01-2005 07:24									#89
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The rapper Jin is Chinese. one of the rappers in the group Smilez and Southstar is Asian.

	18-01-2005 07:37									#90
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quote: Originally posted by Buck Birdseed I have a theory on this and perhaps the east asians on this board could help me deicde whether it's true or bollocks. I believe the lack of good pop music is due to the lack of decent-sized working class youth subcultures. The kids are too rich and too respectful of their elders. But that's just a guess.

Not East Asian, but living there and wondering about this, too.

I think you are quite right that there is not much of a working class youth subculture, at least not here in China. Middle class youths are certainly large enough in number, but for cultural/historic/political reasons (Confucianism, family structure, state-controlled media etc) there is not much of the spirit of rebellion that is such a vital spark to so much good western rock/pop.

There is, however, no shortage of youth subculture of consumerism, which helps explain the predominance of slickly-packaged Asian superstar pop that is so awful to most western ears.

I think this is why there are many Chinese versions of Britney Spears, but no Chinese versions of Courtney Love (or anything remotely like her).

There is a tiny Chinese independant music scene (including punk) centered mainly in Beijing. It seems to be very small, of the hundreds (> 1,000?) young Chinese I've worked with, I've met probably less than ten interested in any kind of "alternative" music. Finding a young person into jazz or R&B is about as far out as you'll find.