18-01-2005 07:48									#91
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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber Any Asian rappers out there?

Tawianese rapper "Jay" Zhou is a MEGA-SUPERSTAR in urban China. You cannot escape his face in advertisements absolutely everywhere.

Some of his music is standard Chinese pop (sickly sweet packaged crooning). But I have heard a few tracks that were surprisingly different from the norm (e.g. dark, fast hard buzzing guitar).

At least he's cute.

	18-01-2005 08:17									#92
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quote: Originally posted by mindseye Tawianese rapper "Jay" Zhou is a MEGA-SUPERSTAR in urban China. You cannot escape his face in advertisements absolutely everywhere. Some of his music is standard Chinese pop (sickly sweet packaged crooning). But I have heard a few tracks that were surprisingly different from the norm (e.g. dark, fast hard buzzing guitar). At least he's cute.

Ill. You've got bad taste - even my mom thinks he's uglier than sin.

	18-01-2005 08:25									#93
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident I think the brothers in the speed metal band Death Angel are filipino. But that's all I can think of. Then there's Loudness. A heavy metal band from Japan. They sucked and had no commercial success in the U.S. Death Angel had some cool songs. I recommend them. Their drummer was only 14 when their first album was released. edit: turns out they weren't asian americans

Kirk Hammet is filipino...

You call yourself a Metallica fan...

Plus that guy in Smashing Pumpkins.

	18-01-2005 08:32									#94
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quote: Originally posted by Boshko Also you get "live" concerts that are just basically karaoke with lots of lights and on a big stage.

Horrible garbage.

	18-01-2005 08:33									#95
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Chinese superstar rapper "Jay" Zhou JieLun (appropriately commercially packaged):

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	18-01-2005 08:35									#96
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident let me first to make the racist comment. Asians seem to lack the artistic flair for music. there I said it. I'm not saying they can't be artists. Their architecture is beautiful. But when it comes to music... What have they contributed? Flutes? bamboo reeds? enlighten my ingorant ass. I know they probably have done more, but I have not heard of it. I'm not saying they don't have the ability. It's a matter of culture. some cultures value education, that is why they are smarter. It has nothing to do with genetic differences. and again- you guess did not mention Loudness (I mentioned them earlier). They actually did have 1 song played on a heavy metal station where I live. Though it sucked

Heresy!

	18-01-2005 08:36									#97
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Ill. You've got bad taste - even my mom thinks he's uglier than sin.

Your mom calls THIS "ugly"???

	18-01-2005 08:39									#98
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he doesn't look like rapper

	18-01-2005 08:40									#99
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quote: Originally posted by OzzyKP Plus that guy in Smashing Pumpkins.

He's the one on the left. Plus, challenging Lemmy for ugliest guy in rock, anonymous Pumpkins drummer on the right.

	18-01-2005 08:59									#100
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"Jay" Zhou is more of a pop singer than rapper, though.

	18-01-2005 09:02									#101
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quote: Originally posted by mindseye Your mom calls THIS "ugly"???

Yup. Not only my mom, but I don't know anybody who thinks he's cute.

I suppose that's one of the differences between the East and the West.

	18-01-2005 09:14									#102
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Yup. Not only my mom, but I don't know anybody who thinks he's cute. I suppose that's one of the differences between the East and the West.

Yeah, an oft-noticed difference. And a lucky one, too! There's less friction if foreign guys chase the ugly local chicks (and a few ugly local guys) instead of competing for the desirable ones.

You are right, he's more of a pop star, but he's the only significant "rapper" I know of. Granted, they have to be pretty mainstream for me to actually know their name and face.

	18-01-2005 10:24									#103
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quote: There is a tiny Chinese independant music scene (including punk) centered mainly in Beijing. It seems to be very small, of the hundreds (> 1,000?) young Chinese I've worked with, I've met probably less than ten interested in any kind of "alternative" music. Finding a young person into jazz or R&B is about as far out as you'll find.

The more I hear about modern Japan and China, the more SKorea sounds like some kind of bizarrely halfway point. SKorea is bad, but at least in Seoul, not anywhere near as bad as you're describing. Lots of people here like mainstream "alternative" such as Nirvana etc. etc. etc. which is certainly a wonderful change of pace from the pop, techno-pop, and pop-rap.

quote: Yeah, an oft-noticed difference. And a lucky one, too! There's less friction if foreign guys chase the ugly local chicks (and a few ugly local guys) instead of competing for the desirable ones.

Yeah, this is definately true. Asians tends to like asians with more "western" features (round eyes etc. etc.), asians with more "asian" features are often surprised how many westerners end up hitting on them when they go to abroad.

	18-01-2005 10:35									#104
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quote: Originally posted by Boshko Yeah, this is definately true. Asians tends to like asians with more "western" features (round eyes etc. etc.), asians with more "asian" features are often surprised how many westerners end up hitting on them when they go to abroad.

So asian chicks dig white goes over in Korea?

	18-01-2005 10:38									#105
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quote: Originally posted by OzzyKP So asian chicks dig white goes over in Korea?

Not necessarily. It seems that the people who get the most action are the asians who have a set of features that is more western-looking than average (that and baby-faces, pale skin and very little fat). Increasingly asians are getting plastic surgery to make their eyes and noses look more western.

	18-01-2005 15:31									#106
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quote: Originally posted by mindseye quote: Originally posted by Dissident there I said it. I'm not saying they can't be artists. Their architecture is beautiful. But when it comes to music... What have they contributed? Flutes? bamboo reeds? They've contributed a lot to the world's music, but your question seems to be more like "what have they contributed to western music".

I know that Brendan Perry and Lisa Gerrard, as a duo in 'Dead Can Dance' and separately, use Chinese instruments in their music.

They also use instruments from India and Iran, and then of course you have the influence that Javanese gamelan has had on modern classical music (Steve Reich, Philip Glass) and some forms of modern 'popular' music- I'd say the German groups 'Neu' and 'Can' show signs of definite East Asian influences.

	18-01-2005 15:50									#107
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More obvious would be the recent trend towards sampling asian music in hip-hop. It seems to have petered out a bit now but it was kinda big for a while.

	18-01-2005 16:06									#108
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quote: Originally posted by Buck Birdseed More obvious would be the recent trend towards sampling asian music in hip-hop. It seems to have petered out a bit now but it was kinda big for a while.

I usually wanted them to play all the Bollywood piece they were sampling and skip the hip-hop/rap song.

	18-01-2005 19:11									#109
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Currently listening to an album by a Japanese band called Guitar Wolf I borrowed from the public library. They're described as "Japanese (sic) Greatest Jet Rock'n'Roll Band!!" on the cover which is fitting as the entire thing appears to have been recorded inside a jet engine, or possibly a wind tunnel, with ridiculous distortion and echo effects applied to every instruments and voice and some seriously pushed-out stereo. Otherwise they're a rather conventional ramones-style punk band.

Great fun all round.

	18-01-2005 19:23									#110
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quote: Originally posted by molly bloom I know that Brendan Perry and Lisa Gerrard, as a duo in 'Dead Can Dance' and separately, use Chinese instruments in their music.

Another DCD fan?

Their 1990 disc "Aion" was the catalyst to my interest in renaissance music, eventually leading me to trade in my electric bass for recorders adn crumhorns.

I saw them live around that time, in Berkeley CA, at the Greek Theater. Great show!

	18-01-2005 19:29									#111
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quote: Originally posted by Boshko Lots of people here like mainstream "alternative" such as Nirvana etc. etc. etc. which is certainly a wonderful change of pace from the pop, techno-pop, and pop-rap.

/envy!/

Hmm, wonder how long it would take me to get conversational in Korean ...

	18-01-2005 19:43									#112
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quote: Originally posted by Buck Birdseed Currently listening to an album by a Japanese band called Guitar Wolf I borrowed from the public library. They're described as "Japanese (sic) Greatest Jet Rock'n'Roll Band!!" on the cover which is fitting as the entire thing appears to have been recorded inside a jet engine, or possibly a wind tunnel, with ridiculous distortion and echo effects applied to every instruments and voice and some seriously pushed-out stereo. Otherwise they're a rather conventional ramones-style punk band. Great fun all round.

Guitar wolf are one of the most famous Japanese Bands to make it west.

Also extremely good are the Mad Capsule Markets. Great pop/punk/metal/techno mix.

	18-01-2005 20:31									#113
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What about Three Michelle Gun Elephant?

	18-01-2005 21:59									#114
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I have/had a selection of Japanese punk, before I ripped and sold a chunk of it.

Boredoms
Buffalo Daughter
Cornelius
Aube
Merzbow
Melt Banana
The Brilliant Green
Green Machine
Shonen Knife

J-Pop
Sugar Plant
Pizzicato 5
Sakura
Utada Hikaro

I used to listen to the J-pop channel on Spinner before the FCC killed internet radio.

	18-01-2005 22:04									#115
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quote: Originally posted by mindseye Another DCD fan? Their 1990 disc "Aion" was the catalyst to my interest in renaissance music, eventually leading me to trade in my electric bass for recorders adn crumhorns. I saw them live around that time, in Berkeley CA, at the Greek Theater. Great show!

Long time fan. I now live near Lisa Gerrard, too....
Well, not while I'm in London, I mean back in Australia.

'Spleen and Ideal' is one of my favourites of theirs, along with a promo sampler I bought at a record fair which has a selection of their tracks from a North American 4 album box set release they did.

I like their tracks on 'Lonely As An Eyesore' too, and the tracks they did on This Mortal Coil's 'It'll End in Tears'.

	18-01-2005 22:17									#116
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quote: Originally posted by OzzyKP Kirk Hammet is filipino... You call yourself a Metallica fan... Plus that guy in Smashing Pumpkins.

I never heard of him being filipino

I think after your family is in the U.S. for a certain amount of time, they automatically become americans . Especially if there has been some intermixing.

	18-01-2005 22:26									#117
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quote: Utada Hikaro

Hikaru.

	18-01-2005 22:31									#118
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I think his mother was full filipino, his dad was in the merchant marine or something. Kirk though was born in San Fran.

	18-01-2005 22:46									#119
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed quote: Utada Hikaro Hikaru.

Close enough for something typed quickly.

	20-01-2005 22:57									#120
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quote: Originally posted by molly bloom 'Spleen and Ideal' is one of my favourites of theirs, along with a promo sampler I bought at a record fair which has a selection of their tracks from a North American 4 album box set release they did.

The jacket of "Spleen and Ideal" was always one of of my favorite album covers.

quote: I like their tracks on 'Lonely As An Eyesore' too, and the tracks they did on This Mortal Coil's 'It'll End in Tears'.

Sounds like another 4AD fan!