20-06-2005 23:13									#451
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quote: As long as it's not an alliance to "end the game as co-winners" That brings about a completely different set of circumstances as happened in the PTWDG1.

If anyone dares propose a shared victory, I would not be averse to a dogpile on the offending nations.

Or bring out of game sanctions against the leadership of the offending teams...

	20-06-2005 23:53									#452
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quote: Originally posted by Krill quote: As long as it's not an alliance to "end the game as co-winners" That brings about a completely different set of circumstances as happened in the PTWDG1. If anyone dares propose a shared victory, I would not be averse to a dogpile on the offending nations. Or bring out of game sanctions against the leadership of the offending teams...

Skro: The exploit list was decided upon, and other elements were decided independently. However, there's really not a whole lot there - civ doesn't need a whole lot of rules, unless you're trying to do an iron civer sort of thing, which we aren't. Play by the game rules...

	20-06-2005 23:54									#453
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If any one still cares, you can see alliances in the diplo screen even when at war.

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	21-06-2005 00:37									#454
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So, no shared victories?

	21-06-2005 00:53									#455
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Look, Skro, I don't have any problems with a "We'll kill everyone, then we'll duke it out at the end".

What I do have a problem with is having two teams say "We'll kill everyone, then we'll declare shared victory", as then those two teams never have to fear the backstab that accompanies an alliance. It unbalances the game in such a way that there is no counter balance that can possibly restore enough balance for a workable demogame.

yet another problem is that why would a shared victory alliance stop at containing only two teams? Why not add another team? and another? Why don't all six of the teams just say, heh, lets all sign a joint victory, and we will all win the game. Hurrah, we won, we won...

If anyone wants to argue with me, I suggest that you go and read the Game Disscusion thread in the PTWDG public forum before you post on this issue.

	21-06-2005 01:38									#456
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quote: Originally posted by 1889 If any one still cares, you can see alliances in the diplo screen even when at war.

i've got a LOT more hair than that. Can I ask how it is you have a screenshot from Iron Civ F?

	21-06-2005 01:42									#457
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I was about to ask the same. I have *less* hair than that btw


Or maybe aqua posted it without us remembering, or 1889 has access to aquas save

	21-06-2005 01:50									#458
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DL!!

	21-06-2005 02:29									#459
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1889 has the powerz....

wow, could explain the whole Vampire situation we have in this game

while the Horde is based on our Word - our "Blood Oath"

ol' man 1889 and his pack are based on their blood sucking ways...

a lot of savage stories are doing the rounds on the powerz of blood sucking creatures, and the many "gifts" they take from the soul of their victims...

	21-06-2005 02:39									#460
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Krill,
I was just kidding - no shared victories. It is obvious that no one wants that mess in this game.

	21-06-2005 03:07									#461
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Especially after the ahhh bad taste many have from another such situation...

	21-06-2005 03:32									#462
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No rule violations here then......

However as a pre-emptive punishment for possible future rule violation BOH and Euphorica should disband half their millitray units, the rumours are you fight like puny japanese school girls anyway so it shouldn't make much difference.

	21-06-2005 03:52									#463
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quote: Originally posted by OPD No rule violations here then...... However as a pre-emptive punishment for possible future rule violation BOH and Euphorica should disband half their millitray units, the rumours are you fight like puny japanese school girls anyway so it shouldn't make much difference.

I'd be happy to disband half our millitray units...if we had any. Neither BOH nor Euphorica will be disbanding our military units though unless all four of the other teams disband half or more of theirs.

	21-06-2005 05:26									#464
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quote: Originally posted by 1889 If any one still cares, you can see alliances in the diplo screen even when at war.

I thought that was the case!

And I too was about to ask where 1889 got that screenie from

I guess I must have posted it - the alternative explanation doesn't bear thinking about I'm getting old and losing my memory. It's the stress of troops outside Desolation Row borders that is making me old before my time

	21-06-2005 05:32									#465
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That could be it.... or the fact you were born a great many decades ago

	21-06-2005 05:56									#466
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quote: Originally posted by Paddy the Scot That could be it.... or the fact you were born a great many decades ago

I recall that Rommel asked 1889 to do a write-up on progress of the IC Final. 1889 interviewed all players for some comments - I must have given him the screenie to illustrate my errr......difficult circumstances Somehow I am still alive

	21-06-2005 05:58									#467
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quote: Originally posted by Rhothaerill For all you knew, Euphorica itself could have attacked Sidon as it is the closest city to our own lands.

Ah yes, I'd forgotten about that. Of course you could have attacked Sidon - you had soooo many extra troops

	21-06-2005 06:05									#468
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quote: Originally posted by Rhothaerill Neither BOH nor Euphorica will be disbanding our military units though unless all four of the other teams disband half or more of theirs.

Good to see that your alliance is so strong that you can actually speak for the Horde as well as your own team

In any case, this discussion has served its purpose. The world knows that Euphorica and the Horde were in a secret alliance to destroy Desolation Row. That alliance remains intact today.

Other teams will surely also know that if they are successful against us, then somebody else will be on the agenda next. You can't keep a huge army sitting around twiddling their thumbs when you can't afford the unit upkeep.

It is time the civilised nations of the world put a stop to this wanton and unprovoked aggression of these warlords

	21-06-2005 06:22									#469
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quote: Originally posted by Krill Look, Skro, I don't have any problems with a "We'll kill everyone, then we'll duke it out at the end". What I do have a problem with is having two teams say "We'll kill everyone, then we'll declare shared victory", as then those two teams never have to fear the backstab that accompanies an alliance. It unbalances the game in such a way that there is no counter balance that can possibly restore enough balance for a workable demogame. yet another problem is that why would a shared victory alliance stop at containing only two teams? Why not add another team? and another? Why don't all six of the teams just say, heh, lets all sign a joint victory, and we will all win the game. Hurrah, we won, we won... If anyone wants to argue with me, I suggest that you go and read the Game Disscusion thread in the PTWDG public forum before you post on this issue.

No argument from me. Beautifully said.

I think we should have explicit agreement from all teams that the concept of a 'shared victory' will never be entertained.

Back to the original debate/discussion, I'm gald to see that no rules were bent or broken.

However, that being said, I like the idea of no OOG discussions until an embassy is established, and alliances having to be declared via the F4 screen. It would add an interesting elemnet, and more importantly, an early game 'leveler' of sorts to ensure all teams get off to a good start.

	21-06-2005 06:35									#470
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quote: Originally posted by Beta I think we should have explicit agreement from all teams that the concept of a 'shared victory' will never be entertained.

Call me a skeptic, but I have a feeling the teams in this game would never entertain the idea of a shared victory

quote: However, that being said, I like the idea of no OOG discussions until an embassy is established, and alliances having to be declared via the F4 screen. It would add an interesting elemnet, and more importantly, an early game 'leveler' of sorts to ensure all teams get off to a good start.

Try having an army at your front door and another at your back door. That's a pretty good "early game leveller", although I'm not sure it's helped us get off to a good start

	21-06-2005 06:41									#471
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quote: Originally posted by Aqualung71 Blahblahblahblah blah blahh blahhhh balhhhhhhhhh Blahblahblahblah blah blahh blahhhh balhhhhhhhhh Blahblahblahblah blah blahh blahhhh balhhhhhhhhh Blahblahblahblah blah blahh blahhhh balhhhhhhhhh Uhhhh blah! Blahblahblahblah blah blahh blahhhh balhhhhhhhhh Blahblahblahblah blah blahh blahhhh balhhhhhhhhh Blahblahblahblah blah blahh blahhhh balhhhhhhhhh Blahblahblahblah blah blahh blahhhh balhhhhhhhhh Uhhhh blah! [/i]

ok, could someone please translate that for me, seems the Big honcho Desolator left his teeth at home....

	21-06-2005 06:46									#472
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quote: Originally posted by Aqualung71 Blahblahblahblah blah blahh blahhhh balhhhhhhhhh Blahblahblahblah blah blahh blahhhh balhhhhhhhhh Blahblahblahblah blah blahh blahhhh balhhhhhhhhh Blahblahblahblah blah blahh blahhhh balhhhhhhhhh Uhhhh blah! Blahblahblahblah blah blahh blahhhh balhhhhhhhhh Blahblahblahblah blah blahh blahhhh balhhhhhhhhh Blahblahblahblah blah blahh blahhhh balhhhhhhhhh Blahblahblahblah blah blahh blahhhh balhhhhhhhhh Uhhhh blah!

And now you know what your poor ambassador has been living with, My Khan!

	21-06-2005 11:19									#473
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I see the Horde are continuing their disparaging and arrogant ways

	21-06-2005 13:29									#474
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quote: Originally posted by Aqualung71 I see the Horde are continuing their disparaging and arrogant ways

Hmmm you could als be looking in the mirror there...

Great trashing here

	21-06-2005 14:25									#475
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quote: Originally posted by McMeadows Hmmm you could als be looking in the mirror there... Great trashing here

so thus nobody here can translate his words then

	21-06-2005 15:34									#476
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he said

"come get some, punk"

	21-06-2005 15:42									#477
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ahhh thank you, that makes sense... imagine our lack of surprise that your the Big honcho Desolator would like to stay all locked behind closed doors after he picks a fight

	21-06-2005 15:51									#478
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:-D

So, i take it that means u are accepting you are too CHICKEN to come and fight us in out own 'hood then?

What's wrong McHorde, CHICKEN?

	21-06-2005 16:11									#479
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oh give over

we are here

where are you?

let me guess, hiding and squealing behind locked doors


yet again

	21-06-2005 16:14									#480
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You got two options. Come get some, or go home.

Well, I suppose you could do option three - skulk around on the outskirts of our land, and try and act tough.. but we all know your stack ain't got nuffin.