26-01-2005 03:32									#31
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If they ever start putting US officials abroad on trial. We should respond by sending their diplomatic contacts in the states to gitmo.

	26-01-2005 03:33									#32
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quote: No matter which party is in power, the American public would be outraged over trying a US President(or sec. of defense), and that prosecuting country could count on ruined relations with the US.

Which doesn't seem to matter that much these days. Look, you've pissed off enough people, not just ordinary people, but the various elites around the world that appeasement is no longer becoming an option.

	26-01-2005 05:57									#33
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara I thought that only applied to diplomats.

According to the ICJ under customary international law a foreign minister (and by extension a head of state) enjoys absolute immunity from ‘any act of authority of another State’ regardless of the gravity of the charges involved, for as long as he or she remains in office. So I'd say that such immunity isn't offorded to only diplomats.

	26-01-2005 05:59									#34
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Jesus people am I the only one that actually studies these issues.

	26-01-2005 06:03									#35
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Actually, Kissinger can't go to France anymore.

OH NOES... NOT FRANCE!!!!!

	27-01-2005 11:26									#36
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Yes, France.

	27-01-2005 11:28									#37
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I knew I liked that country!

	27-01-2005 19:50									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Blah blah blah blah.. blah blah blah blah.. just because you say something doesn't make it true.

You are absolutely right!

	27-01-2005 21:10									#39
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good

the f*cker stays home ...

fine by me !!!

hope he falls dead tomorrow and if there 'd be a hell, i hope he'd burn in it

	27-01-2005 21:12									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar Oh, a war between Europe and America would make Russia dance in joy

We'd send a few spare nukes there.

	27-01-2005 21:29									#41
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Who said anything about retaliating militarily?

And you guys think the right has violence on the mind...

	27-01-2005 22:10									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos Who said anything about retaliating militarily? And you guys think the right has violence on the mind...

It was last conformist!

	28-01-2005 01:08									#43
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I would love it to see Bush and Milosovic is the same jail cell.

	28-01-2005 02:27									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Why expect that? Nixon and Kissinger managed to avoid it and they were worse.

Kissenger was likely the most realistic Sec. of State we've had in the last 50 years. I'd take him back in a heart beat.

	28-01-2005 02:34									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse It would be an amazing development if US Administration figures could not travel but it is possible.

You can't arrest members of foreign governments while they are in office since they have diplomatic immunity. Even Slobo and Pinochet weren't touched until after they left office.

	28-01-2005 08:42									#46
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I'm sorry but that simply isn't true - the Vienna Convention does not extend unlimited immunity. In Australia for example diplomats must pay traffic fines.

The fact that Rumsfeld cancelled a trip to Europe for a conference suggests the Administration took the threat seriously.

	28-01-2005 09:35									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse I'm sorry but that simply isn't true

Sadly this position isn't backed up by anything substantive: The Congo v Belgium ruling from the ICJ pwnz you.

	28-01-2005 10:15									#48
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Jesus people am I the only one that actually studies these issues.

Since you're going into law, I suspect probably, yes.

	28-01-2005 10:18									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Kissenger was likely the most realistic Sec. of State we've had in the last 50 years. I'd take him back in a heart beat.

He's a mass murderer and a war criminal. I'm opposed to the DP, but I'd make an exception for him. If there's a hell, Satan has a place next to Hitler for Kissinger. In addition, the man's a traitor to our country. He helped Nixon sabotage the Paris peace talks, which kept our country in the Vietnam War another four years, and killed another 24,000 Americans, and God only knows how many more Indochinese. There isn't a torture too cruel for him.

	05-02-2005 02:23									#50
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bump

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I'm glad someone decided to bump this. I'd be ashamed if after all my work people thought the case had a chance in hell of overcoming the legal realities Rummy still being in office places on it before we even get to sustaining burden of proof.

	05-02-2005 02:49									#52
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc I don't really see why he canceled the trip given that even if a warrant were issued, he has immunity from prosecution under international law while in office and could not be arrested. This is without even going into the dubious merrits of the case.

What he said.

	05-02-2005 04:20									#53
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aha! i've found it!

	05-02-2005 07:41									#54
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Sadly this position isn't backed up by anything substantive: The Congo v Belgium ruling from the ICJ pwnz you.

You miss the point - its the embarassment and the difficult position it puts a host government in which is the problem - I don't seriously expect Rumsfeld would be arrested in Germany but it would put the German government in an awkward position if Rumsfeld visited.

I think this is a positive development - it reminds Bush Administration officials and others that they can't act with impunity. Someone might call them personally to account eventually.

	05-02-2005 08:07									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse You miss the point

I get the point quite well. The fact is that there can be no warrant (period, full stop) for anyone in the Bush admin. while they are still in office.

	05-02-2005 09:17									#56
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right - you miss the point

	05-02-2005 09:30									#57
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Why don't you explain to me (legally!) how a court could even entertain such a motion before we start considering the political implications of your wet dream scenario?

	05-02-2005 10:48									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Tattila the Hun But parking tickets? Why should diplomat's not respect the laws that touch them in everyday life? I mean they should, but why should they not be held accountable, if they fail to obey even the simplest laws of the host country, maybe unintentionally, but often from sheer arrogance? You may be posted there for awhile, you might bother to check if 100KM/H is allowed speed on the main street during business hours.

In Washington diplomats from the former Soviet Union have an especially bad reputation. They rack up more unpaid parking tickets then any other region plus there have been several high profile cases of drinking and driving. A few years back a Georgian diplomat was drunk and ran over a eight year old girl in a cross walk.

	05-02-2005 10:54									#59
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When I visited a friend there, she made sure to stress being very observant when crossing the street.

	05-02-2005 14:54									#60
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4236489.stm

This is in the news again for an upcoming visit for around the 13 of feb 05.

If nothing can happen to him while in office, why did he cancel the trip last time, and why the cold-feet now? surely he will have teams of very good lawyers giving him advice?