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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
time: 11:29
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Originally posted by lord of the mark
Serb is having difficulty with the English language. Nationalization does not mean confiscation. We refer to the nationalization of the British coal industry by the Atlee govt for example, but that was quite legal. |
Perhaps, but from dictionary.com:
Nationalization - A government takeover of private property or operations. The government may or may not compensate the property owners.
I insist that in Yukos's case, a company controlled by the government of Russian Federation BOUGHT on competitive basis (auction) assets of Yukos. It was an absolutely legal purchase, not a takeover with or without a compensation (like it is in case of your beloved pro-western, democratic, liberal, ***** you've installd in Ukraine).
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Serb
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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
time: 11:29
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Originally posted by Saras
Serb, you not knowing the exact location of 150'000 graves in SIBERIA (!!!) doens't mean they're not there. It's a lame argument, get a better one. |
Yeah, sure the argument "I don't know where, but they should be there" is much better.
The rule is simple and accepted all around the world-
when you charge someone you have to back up your charges with evidences. If you don't have evidences you may charge as long as you wish, it doesn't make anyone guilty.
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There's plenty of SERIOUS historical and archaeologica research been done and still is being done, that has and will continue to provide HARD evidence, |
Show me results of this SERIOUS historical and archaeologica research. SHOW ME this HARD EVIDENCE. Show me those goddamn Soviet death camps.
During recent 15 years all kinds of human right organization were digin for evidences in Omsk. What did they found? About 10 000 graves and actually they have no idea how many of those graves could be a graves of "Stalin's victims".
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not this idealogically charged revisionist crap you linked to. |
This "idealogically charged revisionist crap" based on sense of logic and SOVIET ARCHIEVES that were openned by Gorbachev. Books like Harvest of Sorrow or any of Solzhenicin's sh!t are based on hell knows what kind of crap pulled out of hell knows whose arses. Such books are fairytales. I believe to documents.
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Serb
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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
time: 11:29
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Originally posted by Oerdin
When only one company is seriously allowed to bid? Yes. |
There was more than one company and you know this.
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Serb
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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
time: 11:29
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Originally posted by Oerdin
Serb, why weren't foreign companies allowed to bid on Yukos? We both know Gazprom is the only Russian company that can afford to buy Yukos. Sure, they used shell companies and word games but there was really only one bidder so I wouldn't call that a fair auction. |
Gazprom couldn't afford to buy Yukos (and by it were some assets of Yukos, not entire company, iirc) European banks gave money for this purchase. Without bank credit provided by Euros Gazprom would never buy it.
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Saras
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Vilnius, Lithuania
Apr 1999
time: 06:29
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Originally posted by Serb
Saras,
1. I don't speak Lithuanian
2. I'm tired of this crap 
3. I have no time for this anymore
4. Have a nice day.
5. I'm out. |
Hey relax with this:
Франция, XIXв.
- Ах, Пьер, вы даже не представляете себе, какое вы сокровище берете, - говорит женщина будущему зятю. - По вечерам не выходит, девственнее ангела, да простит мне Господь, книги да молитвы единственное развлечение. А ее комната скромнее монашеской кельи, пойдемте заглянем.
Входят они в комнату и видят: стол, стул, кровать да больше ничего.
Единственная экзотика - это клетка с попугаем.
Попугай, увидев гостей, сразу встрепенулся и как прокричит:
- ... Тр-ррр-ахай потише!!! Маман не спит!!!...
Пьер в шоке, мама в обморок падает, а попугай:
- ... В жж-о-оопу, козел!!!! Мне еще замуж выходить!...
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FUKCOV - Former United Kingdom Colony of Virginia
Dec 2000
time: 00:29
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Russian Newspaper Issues Wry Retraction
Edition Is a Protest Against Court Ruling
By Peter Finn
Washington Post Foreign Service
Tuesday, February 1, 2005; Page A14
MOSCOW, Jan. 31 -- The Russian business daily Kommersant published an edition Monday that was blank except for a court-ordered retraction -- published upside down -- and other items related to an $11.4 million judgment against the publication.
The edition was a satirical protest against a legal finding that the newspaper had erred last summer when it suggested in an article that Moscow-based Alfa Bank was in financial trouble. The Monday edition also included the text of the court's ruling and a photo of the bank's principal shareholder, Mikhail Fridman, shaking hands with President Vladimir Putin.
"This is already having an impact on the press in Russia," said Andrei Vasilyev, the newspaper's editor in chief. "For many other newspapers this kind of sum would have put them out of business. Russian law does not recommend this kind of severe verdict."
An appeals court ruled last month that the newspaper, which is owned by the exiled tycoon Boris Berezovsky, a political enemy of Putin's, had damaged the bank's reputation.
Alfa Bank argued successfully that the July 7 article was false and led to a $210 million run on deposits last summer by frightened account holders, some of whom never reopened their accounts.
"This issue is devoted entirely to Alfa Bank and Mikhail Maratovich Fridman, so that they're happy," the paper said in a brief commentary on its largely white front page under a headline that rhymed with a Russian swearword. "We apologize to the other readers of the paper and assure them that the next issue of the paper will come out in the normal format. Even if the private individual . . . and legal entity mentioned above are not happy about this."
Five of the newspaper's eight pages were completely blank except for the date and section headers.
Vasilyev said other newspapers ran similar articles last July about Alfa Bank that were submitted to the court as part of the newspaper's defense. He said the court ignored those submissions, but he declined to characterize the verdict as political.
Kommersant, which transferred the $11.4 million to court bailiffs last week after losing its first appeal, plans a further appeal, according to the newspaper's attorneys. They said the judgment amounted to 70 percent of the newspaper's assets and that the company had been forced to get a loan from another bank to pay it.
In a statement, Alfa Bank said if the decision continued to be upheld, it intended to donate all of the money to charity, including foundations for freedom of speech and organizations that support the families of journalists killed while reporting.
"Alfa Bank is confident that such a highly reputed publisher as Kommersant will take into consideration this experience and that steps will be taken to see that mistakes such as this are not repeated in the future," the bank said.
The newspaper argued that the case was a test of the country's commitment to a free press. After the original judgment in October, the Paris-based World Association of Newspapers and World Editors Forum protested to the Russian authorities.
"We would like to draw your attention to the belief widely held among the global press that the award of such massive damages, which are almost 10 times higher than any sum previously awarded, might appear to be politically motivated and intended to intimidate critical media," the organizations wrote in a letter to Russia's High Arbitration Court
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Saras
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Vilnius, Lithuania
Apr 1999
time: 06:29
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ALL HAIL TEH LORD GOD!
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Russia bars foreign-owned firms from key assets
>By Arkady Ostrovsky in Moscow and Kevin Morrison in London
>Published: February 10 2005 19:31 | Last updated: February 10 2005 19:31
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Russia will bar foreign-owned companies from bidding for the country's most lucrative natural resources this year in the most explicit and sweeping manifestation of a nationalistic state policy developed under the presidency of Vladimir Putin.
The Ministry for Natural Resources said companies would have to be at least 51 per cent Russian-owned to take part in this year's tenders for strategic oil and metals deposits. The rule may prevent oil companies such as ExxonMobil and ChevronTexaco from developing new Russian oil reserves, and also stymie TNK-BP, a pioneering 50-50 owned Anglo-Russian oil company.
The ban is part of an increasingly clear trend by the Russian government to reassert control over strategic areas of the country's economy and keep foreigners out of the most lucrative assets. It comes days after Russian officials suggested that Siemens should not be allowed to buy Russia's engineering company Power Machines, which is also considered a strategic asset.
The Russian move comes after an extended period of high oil prices. This may signal that a 20-year stretch of oil surpluses has come to an end and that power in the energy markets has once again shifted back to those countries with large reserves. The tender list for this year's oil and gas projects includes Sakhalin 3, a giant offshore oil field in Russia's far east, which Exxon was hoping to develop as well as ready-to-produce onshore fields in the north of Russia with reserves of 250m tonnes of oil, which TNK-BP, Chevron and Total are believed to be interested in.
The exclusion also includes one of Russia's biggest gold deposits, which Fleming Family and Partners, in London, wanted to develop, and copper mines that interested Chinese companies. Analysts said that if new rules were applied to other fields in future years it could deal a heavy blow to BP, which paid $7.5bn for a 50 per cent stake of TNK-BP.
Steven O'Sullivan, head of research at United Financial Group, a Moscow investment bank, said: “When BP made its investment they must have factored in some upside from new lucrative fields. Now it looks like these fields could be put out of their reach.”
Analysts said the latest move is an extension of recent Kremlin policy and is likely to reduce investment opportunities in the country and hold back foreign capital.
Mr O'Sullivan said: “There are a lot of countries in the world such as Venezuela, Mexico, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait that do not allow foreign oil companies to develop their reserves. Russia has always been somewhat unusual from this point of view.”
A person close to the Ministry of Natural Resources said the decision defended Russia's national interests. “Foreign companies often accumulate reserves simply to increase their market capitalisation, rather than developing them and as far as metals are concerned, we want them to be processed in Russia, rather than been taken out as ore.”
A person close to TNK-BP said the ban was regrettable.
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The Vagabond
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of realpolitik and counterpropaganda
Jan 1970
time: 05:29
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Originally posted by Saras
Have you ever wondered why Amercians dont give a flying rats pancreas who buys their 'strategic' assets? BECAUSE IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER!
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Yes, I have. First, I am not quite sure that Americans don't keep certain assets as strategic and unsellable, that they don't somehow control foreign purchases of their assets. You just bought into their propaganda, naive Lithuanian. Second, given the enormous number of their assets, any one of them can hardly be considered strategic. Furthermore, it is highly unlikely that a rival, non-Western entity will ever be able to buy out an essential chunk to make it strategic. In Russia, such a giant oil company as Yukos is responsible for up to 10% revenues of the federal budget. You see the difference? Can we entrust American companies, which were eager to buy Yukos, with the assets providing such a huge chunk of the budget. I am afraid not. Russia, as a country that can solely rely in itself for survival in a hostile environment (unlike e.g. Lithuania, which lives truly in 'greenhouse' conditions), is especially sensitive to such strategic vulnerabilities. Americans preach and follow it only as long as it is overall profitable to them. It works for them, so good for them. It all sounds nice and beautiful. But once and if it stops being beneficial, they won't hesitate to abandon these principles, just as they now relax certain human-right requirements in the face of the terrorist threat.
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What will happen now is - Putins buddies will buy the assets at lower prices than they would have been had they been sold in open and fair auctions. Sheesh, 'national interests' MY ARSE! |
So, you see, selling them cheaper now pays off in the long run in terms of strategic security. Don't you think that thinking about the future is more important than making a grab for big bucks right now?
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