29-01-2005 07:20									#1
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Team Babylon Discussion Thread.

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	29-01-2005 07:28									#2
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This a thread for Team Babble On - er I mean Babylon, to discuss pre-game stuff, and during the game, to be our public forum RP thread.

To start with - the Team as it now stands.

Beta
1889
joncnunn
GameCube64
skrobism
Big Furry Monster
Micha

Team members - feel free to weigh in here on any of the voting.

To start with - is everyone ok with simply being Team Babylon. Works for me. Great civ. Great name. Great team.

Other name ideas?

Also - I have been voting as I see it in snoop's polls. Let me know by email or pm if you have strong feelings about any of the game set-up issues.

my email is:

brucehynes57 tatata rogers todtodtod com

Babylon - the Land of Enlightenment

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	29-01-2005 09:11									#3
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Team Betamax is good to.

Team Babylon is fine as long as that's who we play. Wouldn't make any sense if we play the Celts.

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	29-01-2005 09:20									#4
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caspianseaweed ta gmail tod com here, nothing to say about setup and Team Babylon is fine with me.

	29-01-2005 09:45									#5
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skro - yup - plan on playing the Babs, regardless of the resource arrangements.

	29-01-2005 21:32									#6
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We need the following stuff for OPD's Summary thread:

1889 et al - feel free to help out here.

Civ- Babylon
Figurehead- Beta
Thread
Theme- Land of Enlightenment
Goal- to build a civilization based on science, faith, and progressive relations with our neighbours, and to see it through to the future.
Philosophy- Technology and culture on the one hand - homeland defence on the other. Don't mess with us as we will make you pay, and we are much more valuable as an ally.
Members: Beta, 1889, Gamecube, Joncnunn, Skrobism, BFM
Info- any ideas what to put here folks???

How about - Team Babylon will be a progressive and democratic civilization. We pride ourself on integrity. And we believe in a 'balanced' approach to the game. However, we will field a strong military to ensure our way of life is not threatened. We look forward to co-operating with you in the game.


Initial buzz words/phrases-
quote:
In a world just discovering itself, the Babylonians take the Path of learning and culture to an age of enlightenment. After all, we are called 'civilizations' for a reason. For those who threaten this Path, we have bowmen. Lots and lots of them.

OPD also need the following, and I say we go with the stock Babylonian references. As to colour, Babs IIRC are usually blue. Any other colour preferences. Green? Purple?

Adjective:
Noun:
Leader:
Title:
Color: Babylonian Dark Blue (the babs secondary colour). This is the teams first choice.

If there are too many blue teams, the game creator can also consider Byzantine Red, but our first choice is the dark blue.

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	29-01-2005 22:30									#7
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	29-01-2005 23:51									#8
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Check out the size of that layer cake in the background of Beta's pic!

	30-01-2005 00:31									#9
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That's no layer cake. That's the Tower of Babel. You see, we OWN this game.

(and right at the very top is our jet fighter - all set to go.)

	30-01-2005 01:06									#10
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Added a bit to the info section above via edit. Please give it a quick read. Thx.

	30-01-2005 02:02									#11
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Team Babylon colour:

Babylonian Dark Blue (the babs secondary colour) or Byzantine Red. We will state our preference in a bit - but the game creator can also choose in case we have too many red or blue teams.

	30-01-2005 05:03									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Beta That's no layer cake. That's the Tower of Babel. You see, we OWN this game. (and right at the very top is our jet fighter - all set to go.)

But I wanted cake!

Dark blue for me.

	30-01-2005 06:00									#13
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For team name, how about Babylon 6?

	30-01-2005 08:46									#14
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quote: Originally posted by joncnunn For team name, how about Babylon 6?

I was thinking of Babylon 5 when we were at 4 players.

And it looks like dark blue gets the vote,. I also got e-mail feedback.

	30-01-2005 15:25									#15
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Hm, any chance to get in?

WeisserPaladin/\web/\de

I´m for blue, too. It´s a darn ugly colour, but it tends not to say "conquer me!" on the minimap

Team Babylon is good enough. Though a somewhat more offensive layout of our strategy (at least roleplay-wise) would be good to get them to fear respect us...

Are we playing the culture bomb (assimilating rivaling civs)? Then I´m fine with the description as it is...

	31-01-2005 00:50									#16
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I like the idea of being a culture based on science, faith, and progressiove relations. Is it possible to win that way? Too many strategies I see in the threads are WAR WAR WAR!

Let's do this.

Blue, red, yellow, orange, whatever - as long as I get to be the car in Monopoly, I don't care.

	31-01-2005 02:54									#17
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Micha - you are in and welcome aboard!

Skro - the car is yours, my friend.

Now - what level do we want to play on. I have to vote for the team. Regent, Monarch, or Emperor.

I've been giving it some thought, and Emperor works. The argument being that luxuries are worth fighting for. And barbs are a bit tougher. And research a bit longer. I like it.

Is that OK with you folks?

	31-01-2005 05:31									#18
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I am not that good in Civ3, so for me anything above chieftain is a challenge...

Nah, really, I´m ok with emperor. We plan on building culture, which means things that improve happiness. The higher the difficulty, the larger our advantage over the other civs...

	31-01-2005 05:34									#19
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Though we might have to leave the tech path some time, since on emperor the AI will be able to outtech us (especially if we´re not gonna fight them)...
So maybe a super-rich, densely populated merchant empire?

	31-01-2005 06:05									#20
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Again, whatever the others want. I'm still new enough that I don't know what is different between the levels. The harder the better. It can only make me a better player.

So, I vote for Emperor.

No chieftain. Err Regent.

Emperor. That's my vote.

	31-01-2005 07:23									#21
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Emperor it is.

	31-01-2005 21:26									#22
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Silly question. How does a team democracy pbem work?

	31-01-2005 22:04									#23
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quote: Originally posted by skrobism Silly question. How does a team democracy pbem work?

Basically what goes on is that the turn is emailed to the team leader(s) along with a tracking thread for that.
In addition, a combat thread is formed for tracking combat.

Those take care of the PBEM asspects.

For the Democracy aspects:

Basically, the player will post screen shots and orders will be posted. Players on the team comment on them, there's often a person taking the lead role on different aspects. And there may be players in chat mode while making the actual turn.

The threads allow those that can't make the chat input.

Unlike a pure Democracy mode, all polls are considered advisory only. This allows the leader(s) to override them when it becomes obvious of a changed cirsumatances enough to render it invalid but not rising to the level of requesting a hold on the game.

A private forum for each team will be set up so that the other teams can't view our discussions.

	31-01-2005 22:09									#24
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With no AI's, Emperor and above are almost identical. [Emperor & Above all have the same only one citizen content by default]

(Minor differences are global science rate & global OCN)

I sugest Emperor level, and maybe an AU multiplayer Mod + Diasters on. I'd give the map creator a wide landitude, as long as they don't get too cute like the Aztec starting location on the last Single Player DG.

	31-01-2005 22:23									#25
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quote: Originally posted by joncnunn Basically what goes on is that the turn is emailed to the team leader(s) along with a tracking thread for that. In addition, a combat thread is formed for tracking combat. Those take care of the PBEM asspects. For the Democracy aspects: Basically, the player will post screen shots and orders will be posted. Players on the team comment on them, there's often a person taking the lead role on different aspects. And there may be players in chat mode while making the actual turn. The threads allow those that can't make the chat input. Unlike a pure Democracy mode, all polls are considered advisory only. This allows the leader(s) to override them when it becomes obvious of a changed cirsumatances enough to render it invalid but not rising to the level of requesting a hold on the game. A private forum for each team will be set up so that the other teams can't view our discussions.

Yup - that summarizes it pretty well. It is a bit like 6 demo games (the Roman one) all running concurrently.

One modification I will be asking for is that the save be sent to all players. Given that we are shooting for faster play times than has been the norm on the other demo games this should help in two ways.

1. Everyone gets a chance to see the situation and make comments without waiting for the 'player' or 'leader' to send it around.

2. This allows a second player quick access to play the save in case RL interferes with the first player.

Which raises a question about who will be playing our turns. I can start just to get it going, but we should discuss.

Also, in terms of threads and forum set-up - we can wait until our private forum, or start chatting about it here.

	31-01-2005 22:23									#26
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re: landitude
a pun?

re: the Demo part and forums
With the quick turn around times that I saw suggested - 24-48 hours - do we set up a time to meet online and vote or give input?

	31-01-2005 22:26									#27
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quote: Which raises a question about who will be playing our turns. I can start just to get it going, but we should discuss.

I'll play it!!

	31-01-2005 22:54									#28
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I'm a bad speller.

If the issue is big enough and discussion on forum doesn't result in consensus, there can be an advisory poll set up within the team forum initated by a team leader.

It's going to be important for as many issues as possible to be dealt between the time we hand a turn off and the time we get the new turn so we don't hold up the game for no apprenent reason.

There's also a few tricks that can be used to disquise wonder builds. On a non-capital, can be hiden for a while as a Palace.

And anywhere, it can be semi-hidden by being any wonder.

And don't dismiss the semi-stealth of actualy hiding it as itself if it's an unpopular wonder out of hand. Those that always hide their wonder builds may think it's anything other than what we say it is.

quote: Originally posted by skrobism re: landitude a pun? re: the Demo part and forums With the quick turn around times that I saw suggested - 24-48 hours - do we set up a time to meet online and vote or give input?

	01-02-2005 05:14									#29
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quote: Originally posted by joncnunn If the issue is big enough and discussion on forum doesn't result in consensus, there can be an advisory poll set up within the team forum initated by a team leader. It's going to be important for as many issues as possible to be dealt between the time we hand a turn off and the time we get the new turn so we don't hold up the game for no apprenent reason.

Right on jon. That will be the key - the between-the-turns dialogue. There is no reason city-planning, builds, etc can't be discussed in advance. Clearly some stuff you will need to react to when the save comes in, but a lot can be planned in advance.

	01-02-2005 05:28									#30
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snoop and Dom need map settings. I say middle of the road - or random. Probably middle of the road. Everyone OK with that?