30-01-2005 17:58									#1
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I've been on Cipramil since last october, but has now recently changed to something called Efexor which is supposed to have a broader effect and hopefully work better. As well as that i've been taking Risperdal for a few months but am now aboout to drop using it since the effect seems uncertain, maybe making things worse than they are.

Also taking something called Oxascand up to three times a day, and it's working allright. So what's your story?

	30-01-2005 18:07									#2
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It's sad to read that you are bad, Footie Mad, hope you get better.

I have never took them. One my co-wokers is taking them (don't know the brand) but they appear to have no effect on him. Also, one guy I knew (friend, but not very close) also took them, but this make him no effect. A new girl on his life, on the other hande, made a much bigger effect. So my limited, second-hand story is that they are not very useful...

I have read that in Sweden and Norway, the consume of antidepressants is very high.I don't know why, but some people says that there is a direct relationship between few light hours and the number of people taking them. I hope that is not truth

	30-01-2005 18:11									#3
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It certainly appears to be true - depression gets commoner the further north you go in Scandinavia.

My sister is on Efexor now. Seems to help.

	30-01-2005 18:18									#4
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quote: I have read that in Sweden and Norway, the consume of antidepressants is very high.I don't know why, but some people says that there is a direct relationship between few light hours and the number of people taking them. I hope that is not truth

SAD (seasonal aff-something disorder), basicaly winter makes those of us living near the Arctic Circle sad to the extreme. The peak of summer on the other hand is almost euphoric, 24 hour sunlight and cool temperatures all day. Most people cant cope with the teeter-tottering, there's a lot of drug abuse and suicide.


I dont have any personal experience with antidepressants so I cant help you there Footie.

	30-01-2005 18:44									#5
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I've heard that light therapy (or using a sunbed) helps for the winter blues.
But I sense that Footie's problems are of a different nature. ?

Get well soon

	30-01-2005 23:50									#6
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Had Cipramil many years ago, but it mad me feel physically ill and they changed it to Remeron quite quickly. Ate that for three months, no progress and instead they decided to give me therapy instead. The (state financed) psychiatric healthcare in this country (Sweden) is so ****ed up. Instead of treating the patients they make them worse, pumping them with drugs like laboratory rats, not having the time or resources to really deal with the issues.

	31-01-2005 00:42									#7
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I need anti depressants. But I hate going to the doctor, so I just go without.

	31-01-2005 00:43									#8
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I took citalopram (same thing as cipramil, different manufacturor) for a year or so and it worked pretty well, side effects not too awful.

Off them for a year (ish) in my final year of school, went majorly downhill again and ended it by destroying my only semi-decent relationship.

Now in my first year of uni, and after months of denial decided perhaps it was time to start taking something again. Supposedly finding out what this latest concoction will be somtime this week. Should be interesting.

	31-01-2005 01:01									#9
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Wellbutrin... sucks, does nothing, risk of seizure in high doses

Paxil/Zoloft... sucks, does nothing but has undesirable sexual side-effects

Risperdal... helped me sleep... not really an anti-depressant though

Abilify... anti-psychotic, used in small doses to help change depressive thought processes

Effexor... dangerous medication... physically addictive, probably lead to my first suicide attempt

Nortriptylene... sucks, had no effect on me whatsoever

	31-01-2005 02:24									#10
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I have never taken them. Some family members I know take paxil and they are still very dysfuctional the meds seem not to work. one aunt takes welbutrin and was a forty year smoker the aunt due to this med quit smoking but is still depressed.

	31-01-2005 02:42									#11
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but not smoking is more important. you already know my view on smoking.

	31-01-2005 02:44									#12
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I know it's an over-simplification, but I think that psicologhy matters a lot more than pills in order to heal a deppresed person.

	31-01-2005 02:48									#13
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Unless it's the kind of depression caused by a chemical inbalance. Talking doesnt generally help that.

	31-01-2005 02:51									#14
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Lack of sunlight will definitley cause depression.

Some people are immune to it, but most people need sunlight to function properly.

	31-01-2005 02:51									#15
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Pardon my ignorance, Verres, but are these kind on depresisons ver common? I am asking not in order to troll, but because I really don't know.

All cases of depression I have knew in my life (directly 2, probably 3 or 4 indirectly - I don't recall exactly) were caused by some change in the life of the people involved (well, the broke up with their gf in many of the cases)

	31-01-2005 02:55									#16
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Recent thinking suggests that some people simply produce less seratonin - an heriditary type thing.

I honestly don't know how common it is, and I suppose it may often be triggered by a particualar event.....but certain people are apparently genetically predisposed to suffer depression, because of hormonal stuff.

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	31-01-2005 02:57									#17
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thanks for the info, although it's sad info, indeed

	31-01-2005 03:01									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Lack of sunlight will definitley cause depression. Some people are immune to it, but most people need sunlight to function properly.

this seems to affect me. though I'm not sure how or why.

Lately I've been getting really depressed in the winter. Yet even in winter, we still get plenty of sunlight (though we've had many, many rainy days this winter). But just less hours of sunlight.

	31-01-2005 03:06									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident this seems to affect me. though I'm not sure how or why. Lately I've been getting really depressed in the winter. Yet even in winter, we still get plenty of sunlight (though we've had many, many rainy days this winter). But just less hours of sunlight.

There is alot of stuff out there about it if you are interested in reading.

http://www.nmha.org/infoctr/factsheets/27.cfm

Basically sunlight triggers the hormones in your brain on when it should send out messages to sleep or be awake, when to eat, etc.

When it's dark outside you aren't getting those messages.

I think there are alot of other things going on besides that at a non hormonal level that we don't know about. Sunlight simulates Vitamin-D production for example.

	31-01-2005 03:33									#20
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Prozac (Fluoxetine HCl) in combination with propranalol for anxiety and depression. I was a sufferer of depression in some way or other throughout the duration of my adult life. I've been to counselling and god knows what and it can't cure the problem. Eventually with my 'love life' problems and the leaving of my PhD coupled with the following long period of unemployment I was at the bottom. So I tried the antidepressant route. Fortunately it was the first thing I tried and was well tolerated by my system with no side effects but definitely lifted my mood considerably. With things since having much improved in many respects I have been able to come off the antidepressants.

I have been off them for about a year now - the career situation has picked up considerably since then so I am not worried about that. Plus it has given me a long term ability to cope with all that love life crap, something which I feel I have had to 'write off' if that makes sense. I don't know what is going to happen in that respect, or how other career stuff is going to go. It worries me in a far milder way than it used to, but at least I don't sh*t myself at the thought of where my life is going.

	31-01-2005 03:35									#21
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I've got a promotional pen from Prozac. It's a cheerful orange colour. I'd love to stab someone in the neck with it simply for ironic comedy value.

	31-01-2005 03:43									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Sava Effexor... dangerous medication... physically addictive, probably lead to my first suicide attempt

How could it lead to a suicide attempt?

	31-01-2005 03:44									#24
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because that's the new way for lawyers to make money. blame antidepressents for suicide attempts.

	31-01-2005 03:46									#25
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Don't be surprised by that, some antidepressants act in wildly different ways in different people...in fact it is the subject of great controversy that in some subjects that antidepressants can actually exacerbate the problem, hence the need for careful monitoring. There is one hell of a lot of controversy surrounding Seroxat/Paxil (Paroxetine HCl) at the moment...

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I blame the QA departments for not ensuring the quality of their products.

	31-01-2005 03:48									#27
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Yeah one doctor told me that Risperdal might actually be making things worse, great to know when you've been taking it for months.

	31-01-2005 03:52									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Dauphin I blame the QA departments for not ensuring the quality of their products.

	31-01-2005 03:53									#29
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Depression is a coping mechanism for most people. It is as somebody asked caused by chemical imbalances in the body. However the mind is a very powerful thing. There are other methods to battle this Medication is just faster and quicker with what docs claim a higher sucess rate. For me a classic case of a person that should need them dont take them. I say this because of a rape i experienced and loss of a few jobs because of that rape try to stay strong in mind and faith. So far and after at least 10 years of counseling i havent taken the pills. That and the fact that i have a wonderful husband and sometimes kids help.

	31-01-2005 03:54									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Footie Mad Yeah one doctor told me that Risperdal might actually be making things worse, great to know when you've been taking it for months.

The problem is that when you are starting on this stuff you should be monitored very highly for a first month or so. If you do get any problems and you think you are feeling worse [b]tell them immediately[b] before it spirals. Doctors cannot magically tell the nature of how your system is going to handle it. At the present moment that technology does not exist to tell that in advance.