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Imran Siddiqui is offline Imran Siddiqui

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http://www.usatoday.com/news/educat...nts-press_x.htm

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U.S. students say press freedoms go too far

By Greg Toppo, USA TODAY

One in three U.S. high school students say the press ought to be more restricted, and even more say the government should approve newspaper stories before readers see them, according to a survey being released today.

The survey of 112,003 students finds that 36% believe newspapers should get "government approval" of stories before publishing; 51% say they should be able to publish freely; 13% have no opinion.

Asked whether the press enjoys "too much freedom," not enough or about the right amount, 32% say "too much," and 37% say it has the right amount. Ten percent say it has too little.

The survey of First Amendment rights was commissioned by the John S. and James L. Knight Foundation and conducted last spring by the University of Connecticut. It also questioned 327 principals and 7,889 teachers.

The findings aren't surprising to Jack Dvorak, director of the High School Journalism Institute at Indiana University in Bloomington. "Even professional journalists are often unaware of a lot of the freedoms that might be associated with the First Amendment," he says.

The survey "confirms what a lot of people who are interested in this area have known for a long time," he says: Kids aren't learning enough about the First Amendment in history, civics or English classes. It also tracks closely with recent findings of adults' attitudes.

"It's part of our Constitution, so this should be part of a formal education," says Dvorak, who has worked with student journalists since 1968.

Although a large majority of students surveyed say musicians and others should be allowed to express "unpopular opinions," 74% say people shouldn't be able to burn or deface an American flag as a political statement; 75% mistakenly believe it is illegal.

The U.S. Supreme Court in 1989 ruled that burning or defacing a flag is protected free speech. Congress has debated flag-burning amendments regularly since then; none has passed both the House and Senate.

Derek Springer, a first-year student at Ivy Tech State College in Muncie, Ind., credits his journalism adviser at Muncie Central High School with teaching students about the First Amendment, which guarantees freedom of speech, press and religion.

Last year, Springer led a group of student journalists who exposed payments a local basketball coach made to players for such things as attending practices and blocking shots. The newspaper also questioned requirements that students register their cars with the school to get parking passes.

Because they studied the First Amendment, he says, "we know that we can publish our opinion, and that we might be scrutinized, but we know we didn't do anything wrong."

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1/3 of US students are stupid. so what.

maybe i should think before i post. whatever.

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more than 1/3 don't even read the newspaper

the other 2/3s write blogs

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1/3 of US students are stupid. so what.


This gives us justification for beating them .

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See, this why we should give kids more rights and let them vote.

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Not that adults or any better though.

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I'd be shocked if I didn't think that an equal proportion of adults hold the same opinion.

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The last time I believed polls was before the 2004 Election. I don't really believe them anymore.

Burning or defacing the American flag should be illegal, I think. The press should be free to do whatever they want. When you talk about the liberal press, you get a lot of fun there... like with the Dan Rather **** ups. That was a lot of fun to watch and unfold. So yeah, restrictions aren't good. It is just a time for liberal anchors to make fools of themselves on TV.

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1/3 of US students are stupid. so what.

maybe i should think before i post. whatever.


Uh... 1 in 3 American students are complete morons and desserve to be shot.

That the remaining 64% is somewhat better does not automatically make them intelligent.

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Any day when less than half of Americans are in favor of an idiotic idea is a good day.

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Nobody deserves to be shot for holding an opinion. Oncle Boris, now you wouldn't support shooting the people you disagree with? How stalinist of you!

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The last time I believed polls was before the 2004 Election. I don't really believe them anymore.


You mean the polls that showed Bush winning by 1-2 percent of the vote? Yeah, I can see why your disbelief has come about...

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That's why the voting age is as low as it can go.

Ozzy.

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Way ahead of you John.

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Kids are growing up in the age of Shrub and Ashcroft, I guess we should to expect this. I wonder how different this statistic was four years ago...

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Nobody deserves to be shot for holding an opinion. Oncle Boris, now you wouldn't support shooting the people you disagree with? How stalinist of you!


No, they should be pushed out of helicopters instead

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Damn! People complain about bias in the press now, just imagine if the government ran it...though Bush has enough journalists on the payroll that maybe the government ALREADY control the press

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I'd be shocked if I didn't think that an equal proportion of adults hold the same opinion.


From an article I read on this:

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The students are even more restrictive in their views than their elders, the study says.

When asked whether people should be allowed to express unpopular views, 97 percent of teachers and 99 percent of school principals said yes. Only 83 percent of students did.

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From an article I read on this:


I'd expect teachers and principals to be stronger supporters of the First Amendment than the general population.

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american kids are so stupid

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"America - the land of the free" . This is where a state-funded education is going to get you . And your cries of "But we didn't want to raise kids like this !" will be stifled by the very kids you raised . Keep it up , and you will realise that this is just the begginning . Of your socialist end .

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So highschool kids were given yet another set of multiple choice questions (possibly with a "before you go home/to lunch" caveat), and these had no impact on their grades... I'm sure they all took it very seriously. Too bad they didn't interview the kids on their ideal government/freedoms, that would have been entertaining.

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"America - the land of the free" . This is where a state-funded education is going to get you . And your cries of "But we didn't want to raise kids like this !" will be stifled by the very kids you raised . Keep it up , and you will realise that this is just the begginning . Of your socialist end .


Indian Fascists knowing nothing about how the US Education system works:

I bet that 1/3 of students get thier news from FOX, or it is what Pyrodew said.

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Is it any wonder there is a lack of respect for the first amendment among individuals forced into schools that blatantly disrespect it? How can someone truly respect and learn an appreciation for an amendment that at best is an abstraction, and at worst is a cruel joke. Students are asked to memorize the amendment, but it is never applied to their own lives. No wonder many are misinformed and cynical.

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Pfffrp, kids are stupid. Even I had dumb ideas when I was 14. Me, dumb ideas? Madness, I know.

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Is it any wonder there is a lack of respect for the first amendment among individuals forced into schools that blatantly disrespect it? How can someone truly respect and learn an appreciation for an amendment that at best is an abstraction, and at worst is a cruel joke. Students are asked to memorize the amendment, but it is never applied to their own lives. No wonder many are misinformed and cynical.


Exactly, US schools are about accepting what your teacher said even if he/she is wrong so you get a good grade on your assignments, students don't learn how to think independently. Using your 1st ammendment right gets you detention.

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Exactly Odin.

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whats even worse is that they use the "keep order in the classroom" as an excuse and know one cares.

 
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