01-02-2005 10:06									#1
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Hey all! I've got great pleasure to introduce you all a III Edition Game of the Month. February is first in III Edition, so now you can start play with us! It's time to play in modern ages, you will command German nation and your goals are.. Check it here! Good luck!

You can see how global ranking looks after two editions. It would be very nice to see other nations in that ranking after III Edition.

Best regards,
sezoN

	01-02-2005 11:07									#2
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sezoN,

This looks like fun. I downloaded the game... but how do you open an RAR file ? Also, I am confused about some rules ... for example, do you really play in multiplayer mode ?

	01-02-2005 13:47									#3
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Same question as Peaster: how do we open your .rar game?

	01-02-2005 15:36									#4
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.rar is a compacted format (like .zip) - very popular in europe - you can open it using WinRar - a utility very similar to WinZip - which is freely (as shareware) available on the Web - just do a quick search for winrar (or winarj - another similar utility which deals with .arj as well as .rar & .zip)

Stu

	01-02-2005 21:09									#5
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SlowThinker would like this one - rehoming caravans is not banned...

	01-02-2005 21:25									#6
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Thank you, Stu
I downloaded Winrar and it worked

Perhaps I shall rehome a few caravans in memoriam XinYu and SlowThinker

Helper programs, black-clicking and other tricks don't seem to be forbidden either... but I won't go that far

	01-02-2005 21:31									#7
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BTW XinYu is back, at least on the OT forum.
He has started a thread named "if Darwin was correct", which I enjoy reading (though it's mostly nice words ... as usual on the OT ).

	01-02-2005 22:51									#8
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LaFayette, is it possible to post a 4000BC save in regular format on this forum?

	02-02-2005 03:18									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Grigor LaFayette, is it possible to post a 4000BC save in regular format on this forum?

I am not sure I understand your question.
AFAIK you can post any save (max size = 500 000 bytes) as attached file.

	02-02-2005 03:47									#10
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La Fayette,

If I may...I believe Grigor was being overly indirect and that a likely restatement from him might be...
"La Fayette, will you please repost the "unzipped" opening here as a .sav.?. Thanks."

Assumes this is a language/misunderstanding problem....

Monk

	02-02-2005 05:14									#11
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Thank you, Monk!

Attachment: sezon0205.sav
This has been downloaded 11 time(s).

	02-02-2005 07:10									#12
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Thanks LF.

	02-02-2005 08:32									#13
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Peaster and La Fayette, of course Scouse Gits has right, *.rar is similar to *.zip and it's very popular in europe. For others who's can't open it. Here it's oficial site of WinRar program. currenty in 3.42 release. - http://www.rarlab.com/

Rehoming isn't forbiden and black-clicking either but that second can really spoil your fun.

By the way, for what you want GotM in simple *.sav mode? Only in *.net file it's useful. So better download it from original address or attach here full *.rar file.

Peaster but why multiplayer mode is confuse for you?

	02-02-2005 09:01									#14
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sezoN,

I got winrar and have opened the start.net file, so I guess I am ready to play. But I am surprised that we are supposed to play a single-player game in multiplayer mode.... (why do it that way?). Also,

** I guess we need to save the game when we defeat the Mongols, or achieve any other goal, to prove when we did it?

** I looked at the rules.txt file. Hope that is OK.

** We want the Americans to have a lot of cities at THE END of the game, right?

I am going to try to zip the necessary files and post them here [fingers crossed]. You need MGE to play, and must open the start.net file in MP mode.

Attachment: feb05.zip
This has been downloaded 5 time(s).

	02-02-2005 09:43									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Peaster sezoN, I got winrar and have opened the start.net file, so I guess I am ready to play. But I am surprised that we are supposed to play a single-player game in multiplayer mode.... (why do it that way?). Also,

I know that you have it but someone else maybe don't. What about MP mode, so it is easier to check final scores, especially when some of goals are depends on number of cities ect. ect. And it's our standard, some kind of our GotM tradition.

quote: Originally posted by Peaster ** I guess we need to save the game when we defeat the Mongols, or achieve any other goal, to prove when we did it?

Yes, as I wrote here, you should send me every save of bonus that you claim for.

quote: Originally posted by Peaster ** I looked at the rules.txt file. Hope that is OK.

It's no problem at all.

quote: Originally posted by Peaster ** We want the Americans to have a lot of cities at THE END of the game, right?

Yes, you should keep so many American cities as you can.

quote: Originally posted by Peaster I am going to try to zip the necessary files and post them here [fingers crossed]. You need MGE to play, and must open the start.net file in MP mode.

I would add something. You should start from read the main rules.

By the way, I'm very pleased that you've decided to try it! I'am curiouse how you will stand in future rank. After game it would be very nice if you write some thing about it on our forums Wish you luck

P.s.
sorry for my poor english

	02-02-2005 10:02									#16
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Thanks sezoN ! I think your scoring system will make this a lot of fun. But I don't expect my score will be too good, since I don't know how to drive a spaceship, and haven't played with modern units very often either!

	02-02-2005 11:39									#17
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quote: Originally posted by sezoN I would add something. You should start from read the main rules. Wish you luck

I've down loaded the save posted by LF, but having read the rules, I now suspect that is not sufficient. Is there a dedicated rules.txt file that we need to use?

The rules say "changing the rules.txt file is strictly forbidden" so if there is no dedicated rules.txt, I assume we have to use the version that shipped with the game. (The version I usually play with changes the name of the English leader and the names and order of the English cities.)

I also have a small change in my units.gif - I assume this is OK since it doesn't affect game play. Or is there a dedicated units.gif?

RJM at Sleeper's

	02-02-2005 12:09									#18
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I downloaded the .rar extractor, so I can answer my own question (at least partly)

There is a dedicated rules.txt and a units.bmp (I thought units was a gif file, but I'm not using my Civ computer at the moment, so maybe my memory is at fault). There is also a .net file. I assume this is the equivalent of the .sav file and will load into MPE in the same way.

I haven't looked at the rules.txt file for any differemces. sezoN said that it is OK to do this, so perhaps anyone who has looked at it will tell us the differences - or perhaps it is simply the original version in order to ensure that we all use it.

RJM at Sleeper's

	02-02-2005 12:11									#19
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You will need 3 files: start.net, units.bmp, and rules.txt. The units and rules files are slightly different from standard... you move 2x on roads, etc. These files are all part of sezoN's rar file and the zip file above [I hope]. There is a readme file, but that info is also online at sezoN's site, civ.org.pl.

I think sezoN said we should not use LaFayette's .sav file. To use the .net file, you must have MGE and follow his directions [ IIRC you 1) start an MP game, 2) select the Internet option, 3) Load a saved MP game (namely start.net) and then select the Germans.]

Now, could you explain the part about the spaceship?

Last edited by Peaster on 02-02-2005 at 12:25

	02-02-2005 18:32									#20
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OK, I have unzipped the file, and got the various folders mentioned. Unfortunately, the start.net file does not show up as a game option in MP (or SP for that matter). I think this is a Mac problem. Peaster, do you have any suggestions? Perhaps an unzipped version of thestart.net might work for me.

Suggestions welcome.

	02-02-2005 19:18									#21
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Grigor - When you open the .rar, it will create a few folders for you (I assume the same happens on a MAC).
Make sure you know where the 3 main files are. IIRC they are in a "February '05" folder.

Actually, I also had trouble finding start.net for a while, but then suddenly there it was. Maybe restarting civ2 helped (not sure).

If you are using my .zip file, it may be my mistake. I haven't done a lot of zipping/posting. But in that case, be sure the 3 files are in the same folder (not the same one as your other civ2 files).

Attachment: start.net
This has been downloaded 1 time(s).

	03-02-2005 11:54									#22
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Just in case ...

MGE defaults to looking for a .sav file when you load a game, but you can change this to looking for a .net game.

(Sorry if this is stating the obvious.)

RJM at Sleeper's

	03-02-2005 21:52									#23
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Gregor, I havn't any experience with MAC version but I think that rjmatsleepers have right. Try in that way.

quote: Originally posted by Peaster Thanks sezoN ! I think your scoring system will make this a lot of fun. But I don't expect my score will be too good, since I don't know how to drive a spaceship, and haven't played with modern units very often either

Have great fun while playing it's most important thing! Score is addition also nice but only addition to fun. If you havn't played much in modern age, so now you have great opportunity to do it and compare your score with polish civ friends.

quote: Originally posted by Peaster You will need 3 files: start.net, units.bmp, and rules.txt. The units and rules files are slightly different from standard... you move 2x on roads, etc. These files are all part of sezoN's rar file and the zip file above [I hope]. There is a readme file, but that info is also online at sezoN's site, civ.org.pl.

My advise is to download that files from original destination only then you'll have sure that files are OK.

quote: Originally posted by Peaster I think sezoN said we should not use LaFayette's .sav file. To use the .net file, you must have MGE and follow his directions [ IIRC you 1) start an MP game, 2) select the Internet option, 3) Load a saved MP game (namely start.net) and then select the Germans.]

Correct!

quote: Originally posted by Peaster Now, could you explain the part about the spaceship?

You should launch your spaceship fastest you can. It's all. Spaceship don't have to reached alpha centauri, only launch time is mark.

	05-02-2005 22:13									#24
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This game is fun!
I very much enjoy the concept of multi-objectives (heartbreaking choices: which one do I take first? ).
... and waging war in modern times with stronger units added is a real change from early conquest.

Shall we start a spoiler thread or what?

	06-02-2005 04:48									#25
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LF, this seems right up your alley! It would be very enjoyable to look at your play in a spoiler thread.

As a MAC user, I am effectively shut out of this interesting scenario. However, I was able to open your save, so I have looked at the starting position.

With so many options, how does one begin to formulate a reasonable (and, of course, elegant) strategy?

Perhaps we should consider some type of modern units challenge game here at Apolyton, perhaps with objectives, but certainly in a more generally loadable format.

	06-02-2005 14:26									#26
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Grigor,

IMO it's a pity if you can't play with us, just because you are a Mac User.

SezoN,

Would you agree that Mac Users are allowed to play using a ".sav " starting game ?

	07-02-2005 19:53									#27
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I really tried for about 50 turns, but my inexperience with modern units, governments, etc have put the Germans in a hopeless position. I probably won't post a result, but will replay the game and read the discussions to learn for next time.

Thanks, sezoN !

	08-02-2005 03:08									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Peaster will replay the game and read the discussions to learn for next time.

We all know that you won't be crawling in the dust any longer next time

	09-02-2005 20:37									#29
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Last news (no spoiler ):
17.5 = Mongols crushed,
17.6 = SS launched,
now busy crushing the Italians.

	17-02-2005 13:46									#30
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SezoN,

Sorry, I seem to have a problem when trying to register:
I am told either that I have already registered or that my password is invalid.
Thank you for kind help.