03-02-2005 08:55									#31
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I had my eyes on that blue chick in the last episode.

	03-02-2005 09:01									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident I was hoping they would go back to their roots of having sex with different colored women.

You mean Lieutenant Uhuru?

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	03-02-2005 09:14									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Bkeela There are many series that have incredible longevity. Try to appreciate how long some soap operas like Days of Our Lives and The Young and Restless have been going.

These are your arguments for longevity? Have you ever seen them? They're horrific crap!

I'm all for longevity, but when a show concept is so bereft of ideas that it descends into the crap that was Enterprise, it needs at least a rest, if not euthanasia. Churning out crap under a series name defames even the good parts of the series (Star Wars, anyone?).

There's a lot to be said for going out on a high note and leaving people with the fond memories of a great show rather than dragging a show out until it's unbearable. Some ideas just run their course and that's that.

	03-02-2005 09:41									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker I had alot of hope for this series when it first came out, it was gritty and edgy and had a certain level of realism that the characters had on an emotional, humanistic level. The other Star Trek series had that idealism and the characters didn't really have personalities. But after a few shows, it seemed pretty flat, there was lots of potential for it to take alot of cool angles but it never seemed to go anywhere.

	03-02-2005 10:02									#35
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i had misgivings about the show from the start, but was willing to give it a chance.

after the first few continuity issues, though, i lost hope, and the writing, well...

lost interest, and personally, i find it an abomination.

maybe as a standalone series, completely unattached to star trek, it would have done fine; but that rubbish being attached to star trek only hurt both franchises--the former having extraordinarily high standards to live up to, and the latter being marred by a shitty show.

	03-02-2005 10:16									#36
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My personal gripe is the whole time travelling thing.

	03-02-2005 10:43									#37
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Too bad-- They lost points with me with all the temporal war crap but this season I was really starting to get intrigued by the internal pre-federation stuff-- I thought there was a lot of good basics for storylines on the interplay and relationships between the species

	03-02-2005 10:45									#38
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YAY i hate enterprise

	03-02-2005 10:53									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Flubber Too bad-- They lost points with me with all the temporal war crap but this season I was really starting to get intrigued by the internal pre-federation stuff-- I thought there was a lot of good basics for storylines on the interplay and relationships between the species

Yep, they were doing quite well.

I mean that's really all they needed to do was work on that interplay you are talking about.

Thats when the Next Genreation was at its best was when the Federation got involved in the whole Klingon Civil War, etc.

	03-02-2005 11:04									#40
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Too bad...

I actually started to like it this season

	03-02-2005 11:13									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Yep, they were doing quite well. I mean that's really all they needed to do was work on that interplay you are talking about. Thats when the Next Genreation was at its best was when the Federation got involved in the whole Klingon Civil War, etc.

Agreed-- time travel and miracle technical saves are ok but get pretty tired ( I always wondered why if the engineer knew a way to triple the shields or double the phase cannon power they ONLY do it during a crisis and never have it set up that way in the first place LOL)

The best storylines to me are always about characters-- Iliked much of the mutant line and I have really liked how they have developed a few characters from other species over several episodes-- So in all I am sad to see it go-- with all the time they wasted on temporal stuff I will see this series largely as an opportunity wasted

	03-02-2005 11:14									#42
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are you guys serious they used time travel in Enterprise? They only just found out about it in TOS. I don't see how they could have figured out how to do it in Enterprise.

I'm still trying to recover from the fact NBC cancelled the old series. It's a tough thing to get over.

	03-02-2005 11:41									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident are you guys serious they used time travel in Enterprise? They only just found out about it in TOS. I don't see how they could have figured out how to do it in Enterprise.

I don't recall them using TOS method of slingshotting but they had a LOT of storylines involving people from the federations future OR other species that could time-travel and they tended to fling the Enterprise all over the space-time continuum

	03-02-2005 11:46									#44
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I was starting to like the relationship between the Vulcan chick and the captain.

It was nice to see her let her human emtional tendencies show when the Captain was confused and she showed compassion towards him on a personal level or offered him sound advice. It was a good Captain-First Officer team finally.

	03-02-2005 11:59									#45
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StarTrek (Kirk) - saw most as a kid
StarTrek (Picard) - some, but Picard was disappointing
StarTrek (DeepSpace9) - rarely saw, zzzzzzzz
StarTrek (Voyager) - rarely saw, don't care if they ever made it home
StarTrek (Enterprise) - rarely saw, eh

	03-02-2005 12:00									#46
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Picard grew on me. He's a pretty good actor. But he seemed kind of old for a captain to me.

	03-02-2005 12:53									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov These are your arguments for longevity? Have you ever seen them? They're horrific crap! I'm all for longevity, but when a show concept is so bereft of ideas that it descends into the crap that was Enterprise, it needs at least a rest, if not euthanasia. Churning out crap under a series name defames even the good parts of the series (Star Wars, anyone?). There's a lot to be said for going out on a high note and leaving people with the fond memories of a great show rather than dragging a show out until it's unbearable. Some ideas just run their course and that's that.

Those soap operas I mentioned are catered more for women, so of course you are going to think they are crap. I don't watch them either.

My point is that Star Trek can be sustained over a long period, without resorting to plots that force writers into creative dead ends. As already mentioned, there is a ton of drama that could be drawn from Human/Vulcan/Klingon relations, or just the mechanics of the Federation, and watching it form.

It seems to me that the producers of Enterprise, with poor ratings evident, got desperate and attempted to appeal to a young fan base. As a result, the more mature viewers were lost.

	03-02-2005 14:48									#48
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Ahhhh, the pain is subsiding at last. I had hopes when it was announced. I didn't think it could be worse than Voyager, but I was wrong.

Enterprise is a boil on the backside of the Star Trek franchise.

	03-02-2005 15:33									#49
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I liked it.

	03-02-2005 16:42									#50
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Had they cancelled it after season 2, I could've accepted that. But season 3 was quite nice and season 4 very good... certainly better than 95% of other TV shows.

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	03-02-2005 16:46									#51
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Yeah....now what is the next star trek series?

	03-02-2005 16:46									#52
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quote: Originally posted by paramir YAY i hate enterprise

Then just don't watch it.....

	03-02-2005 16:58									#53
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I cant say that I liked or disliked the series. I never found it compelling enough to watch more than some shows when it first started and a few later shows if I was flipping channels and nothing else was on.

	03-02-2005 17:23									#54
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quote: Originally posted by BeBro Yeah....now what is the next star trek series?

Don't count on any new shows being created within the next decade... if ever

If Enterprise couldn't survive on its own (despite being of excellent quality in the last 1-2 seasons), who on earth would want to invest the millions of dollars required to set up a new show?

As I see it, the only hope for those craving for more Trek would be movies, though the last few didn't exactly do stellar at the box office (and the TNG crew is growing tired of them), so I wouldn't have too much faith in those either...

	03-02-2005 17:24									#55
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BASTARDS .....no wait. I donīt actually care. Star Trek has gone steadily downhill since TNG. DS 9 was watchable and at times even quite enjoyable. But Voyager? Please... Been there, done that. Get some new ideas, guys it was therefore quite refreshing to watch the first season of Enterprise. The Temporal Cold war was a story arch with potential, but since I havenīt watched past season I I canīt say how it evolved. But if it follows earlier Star Trek story archs it will probably be stretched beyond the rim of the known universe and as usual leave the viewer unsatisfied. And donīt get me started on the joke Star Trek writers call character development ...

	03-02-2005 17:31									#56
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Voyager was often boring IMO due to the fact that the "lots of good starfleet guys flying around somewhere" idea did run out of steam. It was a step back compared to DS9 which had much more realistic characters. However, Enterprise was much more promising than Voyager from the start and in the last time it was clearly better.

I also think many people are somehow "unfair" (well I don't mean it as a complaint, just as an observation) to Enterprise, because I think the better ST series needed some time to become really great. IMO TNG and DS9 weren't that good from the start either....

	03-02-2005 17:43									#57
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In all fairness, Enterprise has the best first season of any of the ST series. DS 9 is a close runner-up.

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How does a Star Trek showed fronted by Scott Bakula fail? They should have brought ean Stockwell in as a new character. A proper one, not a cameo.

	03-02-2005 18:06									#59
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This is news? I thought that it had been settled last year. In fact UPN plans to wait several years before trying another Star Trek series. They feel that their failure was due to oversaturation.

Personally I think that DS-9 was the best of the Star Trek series. It had the best plot line and the best characters. Particularily unique for the Star Trek genre was the fact that the "bad guys" were named individuals: Dukat, Kai Gwynn, Wayune the Horta, and the Founder he served. They appeared frequently enough that they were able to develop characters instead of being virtually nameless space monsters.

Here's a trekkie question for you: If you were going to have one person devote his or her life to you like you were a god who would it be: the unflinching toady Wayune or the relentlessly ruthless Kai Wynne?

	03-02-2005 18:22									#60
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Hooray!

It was PANTS...