04-02-2005 01:37									#91
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quote: Originally posted by Locutus those antennae are teh coolest

	04-02-2005 01:49									#92
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quote: Originally posted by optimus2861 Well, TNG and VOY's first seasons both stunk (but then all of VOY stunk IMO) so they're no competition. But ENT-1 better than TOS-1 or DS9-1? Not from my seat. I couldn't even get through all of ENT-1 before giving up on the show outright -- it put me to sleep something like three weeks in a row ("Rogue Planet" was the last straw). TOS-1 is simply superb ("Where No Man Has Gone Before", "Balance of Terror", "Tomorrow is Yesterday" "Space Seed", "A Taste of Armageddon", "The Devil in the Dark", "Errand of Mercy", and last but not least "The City on the Edge of Forever") , and DS9-1 was a solid start to that series, though DS9 really didn't get a full head of steam until season three. ENT got two more seasons than it deserved. Hopefully we've seen the last of Rick Berman/Brannon Braga-style Star Trek, abomination that it is.

I liked Enterprise because it felt new and fresh after the stale Voyager. It didnīt hold up, but I still rank it as the best first season of ST series.

	04-02-2005 02:09									#93
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DS( worked because they did the story of one crucial place in the Star Trek Universe and could do a long stoyline about how the whole thing works, including how the Federation would try ton include new worlds. That is why it worked so well.

Imagine a show post Dominion War centerd around exploration after the Federation developed an experiemental transwarp drive? You could go as far as leaving the milky way and leave the whole thing and no need to worry about Borgs or anything else, start completely fresh. And of course, unlike in Voyager, you can go back.

	04-02-2005 03:22									#94
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Hmmm.... looking over the rest of the UPN lineup these are the shows that I'll watch.

1. Remaining new Enterprise episodes
2. Reruns of Enterprise epidosdes that I missed
3. ...

F U UPN. I'm deleting you from my channel display view in my TIVO units. Your network sucks. I'm would rather watch "Ready, Steady, Cook" on BBC2. Die, Die DIE.

	04-02-2005 03:43									#95
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quote: Originally posted by Starchild Vorta. Weyun is a Vorta. Hortas are silicon based life that live underground.

Oops! Sorry, my bad.

quote: As for the question, though I do love toadies, I like my followers with a touch of steel in them. I'd let Kai Wynn bow down any day.

Yes, but when Weyun would refer to his Founder boss as "a god" you could almost vicariously feel the tremor in his voice reach down to his spine. I mean, most people don't have that much passion during orgasms. Imagine the head trip.

	04-02-2005 03:44									#96
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quote: Originally posted by Shogun Gunner Hmmm.... looking over the rest of the UPN lineup these are the shows that I'll watch. 1. Remaining new Enterprise episodes 2. Reruns of Enterprise epidosdes that I missed 3. ...

And that is UPN's problem... because most people wouldn't even agree with you on 1 & 2

	04-02-2005 03:45									#97
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I demand repeats of Babylon 5 and DS 9, and I don't mean in the early afternoon or after midnight.

	04-02-2005 03:49									#98
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quote: Originally posted by Locutus It would be nice as a gimmick for a few episodes or a TV movie, but I highly doubt it would survive as a full-blown show. Viewers need to be able to identify with the characters to continue to tune in every week, something which is very hard to achieve if they're completely alien to them. The only way to make it work is to really tone down and 'humanise' the characters (basically make them humans with pointed ears, a la pre-S4 T'Pol), but that would just nullify the whole concept. I'd still love to see it though, but with Andorians: those antennae are teh coolest

Nonsense, the cardasian and ferengi characters in DS9 where some of the most interesting ones in the show. actually, there was only 3 or so main characters that where human, I think.

	04-02-2005 03:53									#99
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quote: And that is UPN's problem... because most people wouldn't even agree with you on 1 & 2

And most of those people were fairly die-hard trekkies, too.

	04-02-2005 04:28									#100
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quote: Originally posted by Starchild Vorta. Weyun is a Vorta. Hortas are silicon based life that live underground. As for the question, though I do love toadies, I like my followers with a touch of steel in them. I'd let Kai Wynn bow down any day.

Holy ****!

I was gonna post a nerd alert when I saw Strangelove's post but then you topped it.


P.S. I know that you have a sense of humour. I added the winky-smilie-thingie for those that dont (and I seem to have found more than a few around here lately).

	04-02-2005 07:37									#101
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed quote: And that is UPN's problem... because most people wouldn't even agree with you on 1 & 2 And most of those people were fairly die-hard trekkies, too.

Maybe that explains something. I'm not a trekkie and I liked Enterprise....

I did not like the time causality stuff or the NAZI episode. Other than that, it's a pretty cool show, and I still think that regardless how many people post that the show sucks.

	04-02-2005 08:07									#102
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quote: Originally posted by Kamrat X I liked Enterprise because it felt new and fresh after the stale Voyager. It didnīt hold up, but I still rank it as the best first season of ST series.

Why? What episodes did ENT have in its first season that even come close to any of the first-season TOS episodes I named? I'll excuse you from having to come up with a "City on the Edge of Forever", but can ENT even match a "Space Seed" or "The Devil in the Dark"?

"Dear Doctor" was OK, but it's got some questionable science and Archer's big speech to Phlox is way too Prime Directive-influenced considering there isn't a Prime Directive yet. "Shuttlepod One" was a good character piece but doesn't even need the Star Trek setting to work. "The Andorian Incident" is probably the closest to a TOS S1 level, though the ending didn't work for me, specifically Archer's decision (he really doesn't know **** about the broader issues between Vulcan and Andoria, yet forces the Vulcans to divulge secret information to Andoria without giving any thought to how that will play out or what the ramifications might be for Earth).

	04-02-2005 08:16									#103
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wow.

Maybe it's good that i don't know too much about other Star Treks.

More Star Trek knowledge = less enjoyment of watching Star Trek.

I guess it's good that UPN is stopping me now anyway.

	04-02-2005 08:23									#104
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quote: Originally posted by BeBro Please no show from a Klingon POV. I'm fed up with all those stupid Klingon rituals. First it was a good idea to have them their own cultural identity, but they overdid it IMO....

bah! Klingons rule! I should challenge you to a duel (I can't remember what the Klingon ritual name is).

And their blade weapons are cool.

	04-02-2005 08:48									#105
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If they made a new Star Trek I'd like to see it about a mixed group of humans and aliens, but the big catch would be that they are either Pirate or Privateers. Possibly they could have a base in an area like the neutral zone, and strike out at the federation, romulans, klingons, whoever. It could be really cool if they set it between TOS and TNG.

	04-02-2005 11:02									#106
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident bah! Klingons rule!

Bah, no, they're boring! Esp. when more and more new rituals came out, I wondered how those guys had time to eat, sleep, fight for the empire or to produce little Klingons if they were required to conduct a ceremony before everything!

	04-02-2005 11:09									#107
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quote: Originally posted by Locutus those antennae are teh coolest

Andorians

	04-02-2005 11:57									#108
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quote: Originally posted by BeBro Bah, no, they're boring! Esp. when more and more new rituals came out, I wondered how those guys had time to eat, sleep, fight for the empire or to produce little Klingons if they were required to conduct a ceremony before everything!

I'd rather be a Klingon than a human.

	04-02-2005 13:40									#109
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Just find a Klingon, say you're a great warrior, then ask if he accepts you in his house. Of course you'd probably have to do lots of those stupid rituals before...

	04-02-2005 22:21									#110
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quote: Originally posted by optimus2861 Why? What episodes did ENT have in its first season that even come close to any of the first-season TOS episodes I named? I'll excuse you from having to come up with a "City on the Edge of Forever", but can ENT even match a "Space Seed" or "The Devil in the Dark"? "Dear Doctor" was OK, but it's got some questionable science and Archer's big speech to Phlox is way too Prime Directive-influenced considering there isn't a Prime Directive yet. "Shuttlepod One" was a good character piece but doesn't even need the Star Trek setting to work. "The Andorian Incident" is probably the closest to a TOS S1 level, though the ending didn't work for me, specifically Archer's decision (he really doesn't know **** about the broader issues between Vulcan and Andoria, yet forces the Vulcans to divulge secret information to Andoria without giving any thought to how that will play out or what the ramifications might be for Earth).

There is some really good episodes ("City on the edge of forever" being my all time favourite episode of allt he ST series) The other ones you mentioned are really good as well. But then again thereīs some real stinkers like "Charlie X" and "Miri". And then thereīs the "funny" episode "Muddīs Women" with a view on women that makes you slightly sick to the stomach. Itīs pretty bad even for a TV-show made 1966...

I stand by my earlier statement that Enterprise season 1 is better in lacking the obvious stinkers of TOS season 1.

	04-02-2005 22:36									#111
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quote: I stand by my earlier statement that Enterprise season 1 is better in lacking the obvious stinkers of TOS season 1.

So, rather than having brilliance marred by one or two sunspots, you'd rather have the glory of dull, dim mediocrity?

	04-02-2005 23:07									#112
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed quote: I stand by my earlier statement that Enterprise season 1 is better in lacking the obvious stinkers of TOS season 1. So, rather than having brilliance marred by one or two sunspots, you'd rather have the glory of dull, dim mediocrity?

Yes

	04-02-2005 23:19									#113
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quote: Yes

Sorry, I disagree. I'd rather have the brilliance, flawed as it is, than pure, unadultered drivel sh1t. I'd rather have TOS, warts and all, than Enterprise.

I'm glad Enterprise is gone. I just wish they'd retcon it out of the Trek universe and give it its own world to be in.

	04-02-2005 23:26									#114
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Of course you don't expect that we all follow your judgement about Enterprise?

	04-02-2005 23:30									#115
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I don't... a lot of people liked that show.

	04-02-2005 23:31									#116
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quote: Of course you don't expect that we all follow your judgement about Enterprise?

quote: I don't... a lot of people liked that show.

That's fine. I'm right and you're wrong.

	04-02-2005 23:34									#117
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No, I'm right because I say so.

	04-02-2005 23:56									#118
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Food for thought.
http://archive.salon.com/ent/feature/1999/10/29/trek/

And honestly, I think the franchise as been dying an agonizing death after DS9.

	05-02-2005 00:22									#119
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Of course if it is on a website one can't say anything....

	05-02-2005 00:32									#120
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I don't really understand the love for DS9. Those space battles were a travesty.