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In this thread I hope to consolidate our DA diplomacy efforts.
In 2158 we made contact with the DA.
Please give me some insight into what we want from the DA
Mead
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Mead
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I PM'd this to GeoModder
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Greetings GeoModder:
I am pleased to meet the Data Angel faction that we have thought of with great fondness.
As time is of the essense (I am very tired and need to go to sleep soon, plus the Morgan turn is coming up shortly), I am pleased to announce that one of our ships has made contact with one of your bases.
Please be advised that we are interested into entering into trade with you as well as tech exchanges and other mutually profitable ventures.
Please let me know if you would be interested in mutully profitable trade, tech exchanges, and similarly mutully beneficial ventures.
Mead
Chief Diplomatic Offoce (CDO) Morgan Corp
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Please note our turn is up soon (about 16-17 hours). Please let us know what you would like to offer so we can act on it before the turn is up for us. If I am not available or respond (because of RL) before the turn is up, please PM jtisyoda (the turnplayer).
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How do we go about setting up an embassy? Who sets it up? Where? How?
Mead
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Jtsisyoda
I'll be logging off now.
I'll try to get back on-line before the turn is up, but I am not hopeful.
I told GeoModde to contact you if I do not respond to him due to RL so we can act before the turn is up.
However, I think the Gods will grant an extension to give both teams time to work over a deal.
Unless we feel that rushing any deal benefits us more than not rushing a deal with the DA then I think we should ask for a delay. (Maybe the DA will cut us a beter deal if they feek they have to commit before the turn isup perhaps?)
Mead
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Great news on the contact.
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Mead
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Below is Geo's acceptance:
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Response on the Corporate's Treaty proposal
Members of the Corporation,
It is with pleasure I announce to you that the DataJacks accept a Treaty of Friendship with their Corporation counterparts. Once we have established this we're willing to start negotiations on possible technology exchanges. Looking at the seemingly powerfull position your faction has, we expect that not much tech exchanges will be possible though due to the high level of knowledge this position represents. But speaking about it never hurts of course.
Regards,
IT GeoModder
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I note that he states that they have little in the way of tech to offer us.
I think DA are relieved to meet us but are a little afraid of us. Good.
What do we want from them?
I'm think commlink to Gaians and their world map.
I'm not sure they have anything else that we want.
Once we get those two items I would have no problem with pacting with them to increase profits. Although they will get infiltration, I am not too concerened (Sparta, a more serious threat, already has it.)
Let's be very careful about the info we share with them about our intentions. We don't know who else they will share it with plus our increased knowledge over them is power. Let's maximize it.
Mead
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Do we know what tech they have? How?
Should I ask them for a list of what they have and what they would like to trade?
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I replied to Geo:
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GeoModder wrote on 04-02-2005 13:45:
Members of the Corporation,
It is with pleasure I announce to you that the DataJacks accept a Treaty of Friendship with their Corporation counterparts. Once we have established this we're willing to start negotiations on possible technology exchanges. Looking at the seemingly powerfull position your faction has, we expect that not much tech exchanges will be possible though due to the high level of knowledge this position represents. But speaking about it never hurts of course.
Regards,
IT GeoModder
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I agree with you Geo. It never hurts to ask.
Please let us know what you would like receive from us as well as what you could offer us in return.
We are pleased to be Treatied with you. I further believe the Corporation may be receptive to Pacting with you. Please let me know if the Datajacks would like to upgrade the Treaty to a Pact.
Mead
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I let him make the first offer. I'm hoping that he will 'anchor' negotiations at a level on or better than what we would (kind of letting a potential buyer for your used car make the first offer). If he tries to anchor it too favorably towards the DA I'll have to bring him back to reality. If he makes an offer that is more favorable to us than we would expect I'll negotiate for an even better deal for us.
I think the consensus is that we are willing to Pact with the DA. We've already been infiltrated by the Spartans and I'm more concerned about the Sparatans than the DA.
Mead
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Mead
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I am still considering making a major offer to the DA:
I propose a major Pact with the DA whereby we give them much of out tech in exchange for:
all their tech (at least all that we want);
their world map;
commlink with Gaians;
their promise not to share tech with Gainians; and
their promise for them to vote for us in election for governor.
My intent is to get the above from the DA, then contact the Gaians and get the same deal from them. Then try to get elected governor.
Please let me know what you think. There is no rush so consider it and let me know what the consenus is.
Mead
PS
Meanwhile I will explore minor tech trades with the DA.
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I sent this exploratory PM to Geo
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Re: Response on the Corporate's Treaty proposal
Geo
I would like to know your thoughts on the following:
Please consider a 10 year Pact where we would:
Exchange all our tech for all your tech;
your world map for our world map;
all your commlinks for all our commlinks;
your promise not to share (sell, trade, gift, etc.) tech, world map, and/or commlink received from us with anyone else for 4 years in exchange with our promise not to share (sell, trade, gift, etc.) any tech, worldmap, and/or commlink received from you with anyone else for 4 years; and
Your promise to vote for us in election for governor when we ask and your promise to vote for World Trade pact when we ask.
Your promise to not engage in any hostile action against us, including probe actions, in return for our promise not to engaged in any hostile action against you, including probe actions, for ten years.
Your promise not to send any ships/units within 6 spaces of Morgan cities/bases in return for our promise not to send any ships within 6 spaces of DA cities/bases, without prior notice and consent. Consent will not be unreasonably withheld (i.e. freedom of navigation through straights, safe harbor for damaged/units in need of refuge).
Please note that this is not a formal offer. It is something that I am considering. If both our factions find this acceptable then we could perhaps make it happen this next turn.
Mead
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Let's see what they do.
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Geo's response and my reply
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GeoModder wrote on 12-02-2005 13:13:
That's a lot to consider, and I will put it in our diplomatic forum ASAP.
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You're right. It does a lot of good for both of us.
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One question tho: Is this an all or nothing package the Corporation is considering, or are parts of it possible?
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I was thinking all or nothing.
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Also, in case this temporary pact goes through, who will break it? IOW, who's diplomatic trust will decrease towards the AI factions?
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I hadn't thought about that. We could leave it as the Pact continues on a year to year basis after the 10 year period until one side wants to end it. Then the side that wants to end it would terminate the Pact.
That seems the easiest way to do it. Otherwise, the fairest way would be to choose some well know random event (50/50) that will occur in the future such as will the first number drawn of a specific major lottery, on a specific day, will be even or odd.
Mead
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Post from Geo turning down the Pact.
I'm not sure why they turned it down.
Perhaps a better deal from Sparta, maybe a threat from
sparta, maybe fear of us?
Mead
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Dear Morgans,
The Commerce Ops Centre has instructed me to forward the following message regarding your earlier proposal:
The political status of the Data Angels presently puts entering any Pact arrangements with other factions as not possible. For this reason we are sorry to inform you that we cannot accept your proposal. Please note though that we very much appreciate your gesture and respect towards Data Angels by offering the Pact.
Sincerely,
IT GeoModder
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quote:
Originally posted by Mead
Post from Geo turning down the Pact.
I'm not sure why they turned it down.
Perhaps a better deal from Sparta, maybe a threat from
sparta, maybe fear of us?
Mead
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Or maby they deal they signed with the gians had a no pact clause in it somewhere?
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Not yet.
I'm still trying to work a rech trade.
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Geo indicates that he will withdraw from being turnplayer soon and mart7x5 will take on a more active role. I got this from mart7x5.
Do we want to do the deal?
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mart7x5 wrote on 16-02-2005 11:31:
Director Mead,
Data Angels can presently offer:
- world map
- Gaian commlink
- Optical Computers
What in return could Morgan Industries provided to Data Angels?
IT Mart
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Let me check.
I'll try real hard to get back to you before your turn is due so we can consumate the deal.
Pending approval from the rest of the Morgan team I believe we can offer the Spartan, Lal's, Zak's, and of course, Yang's commlinks. Whose commlink would you like in return for the Gaian commlink?
We also have Impac and Plasma. Which would you like in return for Optical?
We can exchange world maps.
Mead
PS
It looks like I will be serving as the Morgan Turnplayer for the next two turns.
PPS
I understand from Geo that there is some internal policy reason that hinders the DA's ability to enter into a Pact.
Can you let me know what that is so we can find a way to accomadate your needs? We would like to enter into a Pact so we can double the commerce income. With solar flares coming up next turn both of us could earn triple the amount normally available.
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I passed this onto mart7x5.
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Spartans Running Away With the Game
mart7x5
I can confirm that we are now in Vendetta with the Spartans.
I understand you may have lost some units to the Spartan menace.
We too have lost units, and are concerned that the Spartans may be running away with the game. It may be too late to stop them, but I propose that we work much closer together to try to reign them in.
Mead
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I just received this from the DA
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RE: Tech Trade
Director Mead,
Thank you for your message. We can reply at this moment. In response to your communication we would like to trade the following items:
1) Gaian commlink for Peacekeeper Forces commlink.
2) We would be willing to exchange Optical computers
technology for Plasma technology.
3) We agree for world map trade too, so this is confirmed.
Regarding the Pact between our factions, please be
informed that we presently are not in any other pact
agreement on the Planet. We seriously consider your offer,
though this require appropriate diplomacy also with other
factions. Neglecting other factions' opinion regarding
such important matter as our plans for entering pacts with
other factions might worsen our relations with these factions.
IT Mart
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I will tell them to send it preaccepted and when our turn comes we will send them our map, plasma and Lal's commlink.
Mead
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I hope I don't screw up the transfer of the promised items to them. Please someone walk me through the process and after I actually do it, verify to make sure I did it correctly.
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Thanks jtsisyoda. I would have absolutely messed it up without your instructions.
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Latest to DA
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mart7x5 wrote on 17-02-2005 08:28:
Director Mead,
You should find in your commlink pre-accepted:
- Gaian commlink
- Optical Computers technology
- our World Map
We await in the next turn:
- Peacekeeper commlink,
- Plasma technology
- Morganic World Map
Please note, that by receiving from us our part of agreement on pre-accepted basis you received also our expression of trust towards Morgan Industries. We hope that Morgan Industries will not fail us.
IT Mart
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In the turn you will find the items we promised.
As it appears that we have lost Morgan Industies it is questionable as to whether we can continue.
I propose a Pact in order to attempt to turn back the Spartans. I believe you and us should also Pact with the Gaians.
Mead
BTW
In looking at the last turn we saw at least a Spartan missle cruiser, one fast transport, and four Elite Impact rovers in the sea off our western shore north of you.
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I sent this to mart7x5:
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Missiles, DAP, and Choppers Swap?
mart7x5
Please let me know if you would be interested in tech trades that would allow both of us to reach a level of at least choppers.
We will get missiles this turn and get DAP shortly thereafter.
If we were to cooperate in our tech trades both of us could obtain DAP this turn and choppers very quickly.
I do not know if you got missiles this turn. If you did then I propose you send it to us. We then should be able to get DAP (instead of missiles) and then give DAP back to you. Then we can figure out how to trade to speed up both of our tech levels.
Mead
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03-02-2005 11:34
@ lottery...
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