04-02-2005 09:26									#1
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see below - the Angels commlink is no longer on the list of things that we can trade to Morgan:

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	04-02-2005 09:35									#2
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So, they might be negotiating things, and stalling us for that reason.

	04-02-2005 17:35									#3
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Yup, looks like that's the case. Should I prod the Angels to remind them why co-operation with the Angels is baaaaad, or should we just keep our hands off of it and hope that the Angels' natural tendency to dislike Morgan and see the strategic folly helping him out would be?

	04-02-2005 18:25									#4
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I'm a little afraid that Morgan wuill get int Int from the Angels and use the "we're in vendetta" excuse to snag the CDF (they get the turn before the A's then pass it to us, so if we both instabuilt it, they'd get it)

But if we push too hard we might just drive them into each others' arms.

At least the A's have not yet treatied with them (altho they just met last turn, so it'd still be in the diplo box)

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	04-02-2005 18:26									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Kassiopeia Yup, looks like that's the case. Should I prod the Angels to remind them why co-operation with the Angels is baaaaad, or should we just keep our hands off of it and hope that the Angels' natural tendency to dislike Morgan and see the strategic folly helping him out would be?

You meant "Morgan", right?

Perhaps tell the Angels something like this:
" We have noticed you have met the Corporation. Care is advised in dealings with them. They often just 'happen' to stall forget payments. "

	04-02-2005 19:16									#6
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quote: I'm a little afraid that Morgan wuill get int Int from the Angels and use the "we're in vendetta" excuse to snag the CDF (they get the turn before the A's then pass it to us, so if we both instabuilt it, they'd get it)

Should I yank the Morganite chain and tell them that if they try to build the CDF, they can consider all peace negoations so far nulled and voided and that the price for further peace will be higher? Or would the CDF give them such a strong position that they wouldn't mind?

But, then, should I mention also to the Angels that if the Morganites get the CDF, everyone else can kiss victory goodbye?

	04-02-2005 19:20									#7
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Naw - I'd lie low. We have three firm commitments that the others won't build it. If we bring the subject up again, it might show how desperate we are to get it.

(Did our deal with the Angels prohibit them onward trading Int int? I can't remember)

But maybe we should offer to undercut whatever price Morgan asks of them for tech trades - rather we had the money/techs/futures than Morgan

	04-02-2005 19:25									#8
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quote: Naw - I'd lie low. We have three firm commitments that the others won't build it. If we bring the subject up again, it might show how desperate we are to get it.

True - that would be my first consideration when possibly communicating with them; to not give them any ideas.

quote: (Did our deal with the Angels prohibit them onward trading Int int? I can't remember)

I have no idea. When did we strike that deal? I don't think we had such a clause. Not sure.

quote: But maybe we should offer to undercut whatever price Morgan asks of them for tech trades - rather we had the money/techs/futures than Morgan

That would make more sense - and probably be much more compelling for the Angels to oblige to as well.

	04-02-2005 19:28									#9
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Perhaps we could re-ask the Angels, now that a few years have passed, if they now have a clearer picture when they will get IntInt?

	04-02-2005 19:34									#10
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How about,

quote: A few years have now passed, so we'd like to query as to how the arrangements for this trade are proceeding. Do you have some idea as to when you'll have Intellectual Integrity researched wrt. our arrangement? I would also like to point out that, since you seem to be in talks with our vendetta foe the Morgan Industries, we would like to undercut any trade you might consider with the Morganites; realizing that competition is in your best interests, and the Morganites not receiving any aid from you is in our best interests, although we are discussing peace with the Morganites at this moment.

in the Embassy in the thread on the Ecol Eng arrangement?

	04-02-2005 20:06									#11
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Remember to tell them about Morgan breaking per-turn treaties repeatedly.

	04-02-2005 20:22									#12
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Of course.

	04-02-2005 22:20									#13
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Message looks good.

Btw, after a bit of thought, perhaps another suggestion to make to the Angels: don't sell the Gaian commlink frequency to the Morganites! As argument we could say that:
1) it reduces the risk that Morgan can call the planetary council and become governor, an ambition that the Corporation has admitted to us having. No doubt you see it's in everyone's advantage that a human doesn't get infiltration on everyone else.
2) seeing the not so stellar relations between Sparta and the Gaian Union, by not selling their commlink you can keep a de facto monopoly on lucrative trades with the Gaians.

	05-02-2005 02:02									#14
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Angel embassy message:

quote: Spartan-Data Angels Embassy, MY 2158 To Spartan Union, Our recent talks with the Gaian Union diplomatic officials indicate that they are going to accept this tech trade, which is described roughly in the first post in this thread. Then, as we understand, Gaians will complete the research of Intelectual Integrity and provide both you and us with this technology. We will then switch our research effort to Cyberethics. Is this true? Is this tech trade going to happen according to your talks with Gaians? We ask this question, since you recently inquired about Int Int not Cyberethics. We recently significantly increased our research output. Presently the estimated time of research completion is around 2170 (if i remember correctly), though depending on circumstances it will probably be further shortened. My guess is around 2166-2167. Best regards, IT Mart

AFAIK the Gaians haven't mentioned anything about a trade anymore, correct?

	05-02-2005 03:51									#15
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I have received no word from the Gaians. I was hoping that the silence meant that they were busy settling things with the Angels, but that does not appear to be the case. I should probably PM Chaos and Illuminatus and query as to what's going on.

	05-02-2005 04:32									#16
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Could be their activity problems.

	20-02-2005 20:02									#17
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Now he has