02-01-2005 23:18									#91
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quote: Originally posted by Googlie They saw a chance to "get even" and being opportunistic, took it. Originally posted by Modo44 That's a possibility, yes. A stupid move for them, but hey - they are greedy people, as we know.

It was an interesting move I think. A typical "!?" annotation in chess We would have declared war on them eventually, they just seized initiative. This was probably better for them than us showing up with impact rovers blazing.

But as for getting even ...

quote: "No - no revenge." "But, sir - we can't let this stand!" "We can and we will. Revenge is a loser's game. There's no percentage in it. All that matters is profit and power".

Respect to anyone who identifies the source

	02-01-2005 23:34									#92
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Which gives me a thought. Do we have a shot at the Hunter-Seeker Algorithm? Is it allowed in this game?

	03-01-2005 07:52									#93
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it's allowed, but my guess is that the Hive will get it - they're the only ones on that tech tree branch

Going backwards, the HSA needs the tech PSA, which needs AMA <<< Adaptive Doctrine and it needs Polysoft. Plus from its other side it needs Cyberethics - which in turn needs Int Int

So we are 6 techs away from it, only 2 of which (Int Int for the CDF and Adaptive Doctrine for the marine detachment capability) we'd normally research

	03-01-2005 14:43									#94
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I see. Well, I guess the only chance would be to get on Yangs good side. Meaning, we need some luck. It would be nice, but it's not a priority. Just a thing to look out for.

	04-01-2005 22:12									#95
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Now that we are in Vendetta with morgan we can steal whatever we want from them - and frame him if needbe

If we do mount a raid on his crawler, we could maybe combine that with a steal of his maps

And in playing around with the simulation I discovered something I never knew before (prolly old hat to all of you ....)

[i]A probe team can conduct probe actions from inside a transport[/1] (what does he do - grab a megafone and yell across the water?):

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	04-01-2005 22:30									#96
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Neat.

The other way around works too:
A probe foil can attack a probe team on a transport. This also means that, if we want to prevent Morgan's Gators to mind control our transports filled with military units, including a probe in the cargo is sufficient.

(Though of course we'll probably want to team up a transport with a combat ship anyway, making mind control imposssible that way too.)

	05-01-2005 00:21									#97
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quote: Originally posted by Maniac Neat. The other way around works too: A probe foil can attack a probe team on a transport. This also means that, if we want to prevent Morgan's Gators to mind control our transports filled with military units, including a probe in the cargo is sufficient.

Actually, in SMAC at least, it's not possible to mind control a non-empty transport.

	05-01-2005 01:03									#98
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I didn't think it was possible in smax either. I know that a ship with the Marine Detachment capability can capture a trannie filled with troops, but I thought the presence of multiple troops on board a trannie was the equivalent of stacking for probe purposes.

I'll try it out in the simulator

EDIT: Confirmed - it can't mind control a transport with a unit on board

	05-01-2005 21:14									#99
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That's good news.

	20-01-2005 06:31									#100
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Morgan defenses in 2156:

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	04-02-2005 18:46									#101
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2158 Production and garrsion units:

(They are asking for drone problems with all those naval vessels - funny how our MCC ownership has fostered a naval build up - a game that Morgan isn't really suited to play)

Still easy pickings, but those plasma units will be a pain in the butt until we get all ours converted to missile weapons.

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	04-02-2005 18:56									#102
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All those two-MP probe teams... Makes me wonder... Why build rover probe teams if it isn't for offensive probe actions? Would it be possible their plan is to switch to massive transport production soon, load the trannies up with all those probe teams, and try - protected by the plasma hoverboats - a massive probe rape?

	04-02-2005 19:07									#103
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Prolly.

I know in several MP games flying absolutely blind is crippling, so I could see them trying double - even triple - 'Gator attacks on our coastal bases and offloading multiple longstriders for our inlansd bases

Maybe we should have a flurry of Cryptiea building while we have bases waiting for production orders?

We're too juicy a target, with the tech lead as well as (now) overtaking Morgan in population - they must infiltrate us to see what we're up to (I would, if I were them) - so we should look to our covert ops defenses

Interesting, too, how their only regular defenders are in their coastal bases (that's why bypassing Mussels and stiking directly at Industries is such a great ploy)

	04-02-2005 19:20									#104
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I agree with the obvious, they are gearing up for an infiiltration. I wonder if they're even honestly up to peace themselves, or if it's a precaution, or if they're going to try to use the fact that they can see what we're up to as a peace bargaining tool should they infiltrate.

	04-02-2005 19:36									#105
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Our probe teams are much stronger than theirs. If we put in 2 crypteias in every coastal base they would need 5 probes to infiltrate. 2 to knock out each crypteia and 1 to infiltrate. That's expensive!

So yeah I agree, we should beef up probe defenses in our western bases. Of course, Arcadia is perhaps even more vulnerable

	04-02-2005 20:04									#106
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Can we do that anti-probe build up, hold off Yang, and prepare the raid at th same time?

	05-02-2005 02:06									#107
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Yang is now in vendetta with Morgan too along with Gaia and Sparta.

Morgan has another Gator ready to strike at the Hive by the way. See this base radius of the base closest to the Morganites:

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	05-02-2005 04:19									#108
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I wonder why they are armouring probe ships.. aren't they sank by automatically by long range fire anyway? And How this works when ship is in port?

	05-02-2005 05:18									#109
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If you're referring to the Plasma Hoverboats, those aren't probe ships, but IIRC gun ships (hence the expected drone troubles for them ). And the Plasma Gator Buggy is a land probe. They most likely got a materials pod by popping a unity pod with their laser synthfoil, and therefore put the most expensive probe unit in production they could imagine.

	11-02-2005 18:44									#110
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I guess they are readying their defenses for a possible invasion (Our Morgan Mussels >>> Morgan Industries spearthrust is still a go, though)

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	11-02-2005 18:55									#111
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quote: Originally posted by Googlie I guess they are readying their defenses for a possible invasion (Our Morgan Mussels >>> Morgan Industries spearthrust is still a go, though)

It looks like they missed us by three, maybe four turns here. Pretty good timing.

	12-02-2005 00:33									#112
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Has anybody else noticed how the Morgans haven't replied to Kassi's message in the embassy? They're probably preparing something major there.

	12-02-2005 03:10									#113
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quote: Originally posted by Snoddasmannen Has anybody else noticed how the Morgans haven't replied to Kassi's message in the embassy? They're probably preparing something major there.

Yes, that is what the screenie Googlie attached shows clearly. Trying to save themselves, for they are beginning to see the wall headed their way with too much speed.

	12-02-2005 03:19									#114
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Well put.

Anyway, I think we still don't need to worry too much about their current production. They're building defensive plasma sentinels, which are just sitting ducks to be destroyed by our missile troops at the time of our choosing. Now if they started constructing gatling rovers or gatling plasmafoils, then things could get tough.

	12-02-2005 03:39									#115
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They might well be able to upgrade troops as they see fit, as soon as they have prorotyped the necessary technology. We should never forget that, especially when planning defenses.

	20-02-2005 12:46									#116
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Morgan has now met all factions:

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	01-03-2005 09:24									#117
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Morgan's 2161 base populations and garrisons

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	01-03-2005 10:52									#118
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Morgan has set psych to 30%, that'll be costing them some

	01-03-2005 12:17									#119
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They've been busy this turn:

Got a truce with both Yang and Zakharov

and Treaties with the Angels, Gaians and the PK's

That;s pretty much cleared their decks for prosecuting the war with us:

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	01-03-2005 22:34									#120
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The Morgans are kinda' scary. They posted this in the general forum:

quote: The Spartans deployed atleast 4 elite gattling laser amphibious rovers.

Lucky guess? We need an official spokesperson out there giving them real disinformation Kassi, where are you at?